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Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by fakedang »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #155
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A possible countermeasure could be to make the life of politicians (which we will of course all name individually) who voted for such laws a hell on earth ...

How do you get to them to force them into submission? Did Americans get the child rapists off the Epstein list yet? And the unelected EU leader Ursula VDL has had private security since she was a child. They're untouchable by the plebs, they have zero accountability.

Tbf, a Jan 6 situation is very possible in the EUC and EUP, because the security for them is just like these constituent bodies - a joke.

I for one would like to see a bunch of French and Dutch farmers drive by and fling shit on them, at the very least.

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by stephen_g »

arlort wrote: post #124
oytis wrote: post #73

Are they going to vote on that every year until it passes?

No, the reason there's an article like this every 6 months is very specifically that it never gets to a vote

But they will keep trying to introduce it until they think they can win a vote. They keep trying to sneak it through and hope the public will either get too tired to keep fighting or can be distracted by other issues.

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by stephen_g »

andrepd wrote: post #181
oytis wrote: post #73

Are they going to vote on that every year until it passes?

Yes, and when it does that's it, forever. Because the EU """parliament""" cannot propose laws, meaning it cannot repeal existing laws either. It's like the IRA said to Thatcher: you have to be lucky every time, we just have to be lucky once.

For those who don't know how the EU works - the European Parliament (that can't introduce or repeal laws) is the actually voted in body, and the European Commission (who has the actual control) is appointed by member states but since it is several steps detached from democratic process, it (surprise surprise) often acts anti-democratically...

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by stephen_g »

rdm_blackhole wrote: post #176
elric wrote: post #145

More money for militarization, 5% NATO tax, money towards buying fossil fuels from the US. More moves towards surveillance of its own people. Europe is starting to look pretty unappealing. I've been fighting for our right to online privacy since the late 90s. And frankly, I feel burnt out. Politicians keep coming up with the same harebrained ideas. Their slippery slope is never as slippery as that of the oppressive r…

Hell is paved with good intentions.

Specifically the road to hell (as the saying goes).

It seems to be a problem with the whole 'Western' world - we're all on way with increasing authoritarianism and our leaders wanting to create police states...

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by est »

yupyupyups wrote: post #40
RegnisGnaw wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has shown the world the way and most countries likes it.

No, people don't like this.

Chinese ppl don't like this either.

It's teleco vendors, ISPs and govn't agencies are advocating this.

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by rogerrogerr »

datameta wrote: post #199
staunton wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does it mean "to make filling out your taxes"??

The omission was likely in that the failure is in trying to make filing taxes simple.

It’s pretty dang simple today. If you’re a usual W-2 employee, anyone who can read and follow simple instructions can file without paying any preparer a dime.

For those of us trying to collect all the weird tax situations: https://freetaxusa.com.

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by frenator »

thrance wrote: post #71
scythe wrote: post #14

Is this an active "undecided" or a "we restarted the count so everyone is undecided again" situation? France flipped, but Macron is more geopolitically mercurial than the average world leader.

He's riding that right wing populism wave like everyone else. If the crazy brown authoritarians from the far right want this, then why not cave in? (I despise him).

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Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by arlort »

stephen_g wrote: post #223
arlort wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the reason there's an article like this every 6 months is very specifically that it never gets to a vote

But they will keep trying to introduce it until they think they can win a vote. They keep trying to sneak it through and hope the public will either get too tired to keep fighting or can be distracted by other issues.

Personally I'm skeptical it's been shot down because of "the public" so far

In fact I think all of these impending doom articles are particularly counter productive because they de-sensitize people before it even gets to the parliament which (1) has already expressed opposition to this and (2) is a bit more starving for approval and thus potentially more receptive to this kind of stuff

But that's beyond the point regarding the "keep trying" part because I really can't imagine a way to "fix" that which isn't going to negatively impact the quality of legislation in the long run

Also I'm fairly sure that if there was a limit on how many times it can be considered in committee it'd already have been approved by council, so be careful what you wish for

Re: Many countries that said no to ChatControl in 2024 are now undecided

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Post by 3r7j6qzi9jvnve »

Note to poster if they happen to see this: as pointed out there's alt text... But it's plain wrong, saying "Countries like Germany, Poland, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, and the Netherlands are in green, indicating opposition or neutrality" when only the Netherlands, Poland an Austria are opposed; it's probably just been copied from an older version and could use updating.
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