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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by guelo »

js8 wrote: post #174
alkyon wrote: post #87

In ideal world international peacekeeping forces would be deployed in Gaza. The peace and two state solution could only be enforced by imposing severe sanctions on Israel including possibility of aerial NATO strikes like in the former Yugoslavia.

Is two-state solution possible? Just look at the map of the territories under palestinian control, they're bantustans. Israel/Palestine is factually one state, which simply doesn't accept half of its population as citizens. You could also say that "two-state solution" has been tried in 1948, but (for whatever reasons) didn't work out. So support for 2-state is just a form of delaying the inevitable. I am now firm bel…

Besides, Israel sees themselves as having the right to bomb and invade their neighboring states at will. A Palestinian state would be Lebanon x 1000, never ending war and no respect for borders. The real problem is Europe and America's funding and insane levels of political and diplomatic support for Israel, to the point that we are willing to gut international law and even our own citizen's civil rights to prop up the zionist invasion.

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Post by sillystuff »

ml-anon wrote: post #2

This has been happening regularly over the course of decades on the West Bank but no-one is willing to call it "Terrorism" and therefore respond appropriately.

Israeli jewish settlers murdered, on average, one Palestinian civilian per day in the west bank, for the entire year leading up to oct 11. The attacks on Palestinian civilians in the west bank have only accelerated, since then.

Israel is a terrorist organization, not a state.

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Post by copx »

jeffbee wrote: post #135
echelon_musk wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deuteronomy 9:4 > After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. I think there is a common belief that Israel was "given" the land beyond the Jordan because they were God's chosen people…

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Zionism was founded as a secular ethno-nationalist movement and to this day your entitlement to Israeli citizenship depends on your ethnicity, not your religion.

An atheist Jew is just as entitled to live in Israel as an ultra-orthodox one.

One should point out that Palestinian terrorism was originally largely secular too, with the secular Marxist group PFLP ranking up the highest body count.

The point being, this conflict does not need religion. Even if everyone involved became secular tomorrow, Palestinian nationalists and Zionists would still kill each other without needing any god to justify it.

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Post by wds »

quickthrowman wrote: post #188
wds wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming the entirety of history began on October 7th, 2023, this is true.

History is a funny thing, now that you mention it. Should we start in 1948, when all of Israel’s neighbors invaded simultaneously? Or one of the other times Israel was invaded by their neighbors? Should we go back further and blame the Ottoman Empire for collapsing and causing a power vacuum in the region?

Let's go back one further to 1947 where there was no Israel, and it was all Palestine.

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Post by bell-cot »

BenGosub wrote: post #14

Cold blooded murder on video and it is still not enough for our countries to take action.

Out in the real world - how much "our countries take action" stuff actually happens when regular & systematic violence is occurring somewhere?

When it does happen, how often does well-intended foreign intervention actually "fix" things - vs. turning into a yet another "park our troops there 'till we finally run out of patience" occupation?

My read is that the many powerful factions which favor (overtly or not) the ongoing violent mess in/around Israel have (generally) very good understandings of the situation and its dynamics. And the benefits & costs - for them - of encouraging it to continue indefinitely. Vs. the opposing side is dominated by sincere but all-too-simple "make horrible things stop happening!!!" emotions.

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Post by buyucu »

enahs-sf wrote: post #185
forinti wrote: post #165

Once Gaza and the West Bank are taken care of, will Lebanon, Jordan, or Syria be next? Israel very much depends on being the dominant power in the region. If they lose US support, things could get ugly indeed. And they are losing support rapidly now.

I think if Israel went the lebensraum route, it would be WW3 for real.

Israel has been on that route for decades now.

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Post by throwaway29812 »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6
ml-anon wrote: post #2

This has been happening regularly over the course of decades on the West Bank but no-one is willing to call it "Terrorism" and therefore respond appropriately.

It's even worse than that. Israel's minister of the security services is ideologically aligned with the terrorists, and has openly supported their causes all his life. A quite unprecedented situation, I think!

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