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Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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Post by afandian »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #39
zffr wrote: post #37

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For people wanting to include URL references in things like books, what’s the right approach to take today? I’m genuinely asking. It seems like its hard to trust that any service will remaining running for decades

https://perma.cc/ It is built for the task, and assuming worse case scenario of sunset, it would be ingested into the Wayback Machine. Note that both the Internet Archive and Cloudflare are supporting partners (bottom of page). ( https://doi.org/ is also an option, but not as accessible to a casual user; the DOI Foundation pointed me to https://www.crossref.org/ for adhoc DOI registration, although I have not had tim…

Crossref is designed for publishing workflows. Not set up for ad hoc DOI registration. Not least because just registering a persistent identifier to redirect to an ephemeral page without arrangements for preservation and stewardship of the page doesn’t make much sense.

That’s not to say that DOIs aren’t registered for all kinds of urls. I found the likes of YouTube etc when I researched this about 10 years ago.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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Post by afandian »

firefax wrote: post #74
edent wrote: post #53

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The full URl to the original page. You aren't responsible if things go offline. No more than if a publisher stops reprinting books and the library copies all get eaten by rats. A reader can assess the URl for trustworthiness (is it scam.biz or legitimate_news.com) look at the path to hazard a guess at the metadata and contents, and - finally - look it up in an archive.

>The full URl to the original page. I thought that was the standard in academia? I've had reviewers chastise me when I did not use wayback machine to archive a citation and link to that since listing a "date retrieved" doesn't do jack if there's no IA copy. Short links were usually in addition to full URLS, and more in conference presentations than the papers themselves.

See also memento https://arxiv.org/abs/0911.1112

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Post by fsmv »

wobfan wrote: post #72
localtoast wrote: post #47

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Docker container FTW. Thanks for the heads-up - this is a project I will happily throw a Hetzner server at.

Same here. I am geniunely asking myself for what though. I mean, they'll receive a list of the linked domains, but what will they do with that?

They are downloading and archiving the pages that the links point to

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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Post by toomuchtodo »

afandian wrote: post #221
toomuchtodo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://perma.cc/ It is built for the task, and assuming worse case scenario of sunset, it would be ingested into the Wayback Machine. Note that both the Internet Archive and Cloudflare are supporting partners (bottom of page). ( https://doi.org/ is also an option, but not as accessible to a casual user; the DOI Foundation pointed me to https://www.crossref.org/ for adhoc DOI registration, although I have not had tim…

Crossref is designed for publishing workflows. Not set up for ad hoc DOI registration. Not least because just registering a persistent identifier to redirect to an ephemeral page without arrangements for preservation and stewardship of the page doesn’t make much sense. That’s not to say that DOIs aren’t registered for all kinds of urls. I found the likes of YouTube etc when I researched this about 10 years ago.

Would you have a recommendation for an organization that can register ad hoc DOIs? I am still looking for one.

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Post by cedws »

jaydenmilne wrote: post #4

ArchiveTeam is trying to brute force the entire URL space before its too late. You can run a Virtualbox VM/docker image (ArchiveTeam Warrior) to help (unique IPs are needed). I've been running it for a couple months and found a million. https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveTeam_Warrior

Why wouldn’t Google just publish a database of URLs? Even just a CSV file? Infuriating.

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Post by afandian »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #224
afandian wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crossref is designed for publishing workflows. Not set up for ad hoc DOI registration. Not least because just registering a persistent identifier to redirect to an ephemeral page without arrangements for preservation and stewardship of the page doesn’t make much sense. That’s not to say that DOIs aren’t registered for all kinds of urls. I found the likes of YouTube etc when I researched this about 10 years ago.

Would you have a recommendation for an organization that can register ad hoc DOIs? I am still looking for one.

It really depends what you’re trying to do. Make something citable? Findable? Permalink?

Crossref isn’t the only DOI registration agency. DataCite may be more relevant, although both require membership. Part of this is the commitment to maintaining the content.

You could look at Figshare or Zenodo? https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/archiving-a-github-r...

Then Rogue Scholar is worth a mention. https://rogue-scholar.org/

Sorry that doesn’t answer your question but maybe that’s a clue that DOIs might not be right for your use case?

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Post by devrandoom »

cedws wrote: post #225
jaydenmilne wrote: post #4

ArchiveTeam is trying to brute force the entire URL space before its too late. You can run a Virtualbox VM/docker image (ArchiveTeam Warrior) to help (unique IPs are needed). I've been running it for a couple months and found a million. https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveTeam_Warrior

Why wouldn’t Google just publish a database of URLs? Even just a CSV file? Infuriating.

I suspect there are links to some really bad shit in there. Google is probably in damage control mode.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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Post by cedws »

cpeterso wrote: post #27

Google’s own services generate goo.gl short URLs (Google Maps generates https://maps.app.goo.gl/ URLs for sharing links to map locations), so I assume this shutdown only affects user-generated short URLs. Google’s original announcement doesn’t say as such, but it is carefully worded to specify that short URLs of the “ https://goo.gl/ * format” will be shut down. Google’s probably trying to stop goo.gl URLs from being…

That could be an explanation but even so, they could continue to serve the redirects on some other domain so that at the very least people can just change goo.gl to something else and still access whatever the link was to.

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Post by ceejayoz »

epolanski wrote: post #175
ceejayoz wrote: post #128

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Let me know when you figure out how to make a printed scientific journal clickable.

Scientific journals should not rely on ephemeral data on the internet. It doesn't even matter how long the url is. Just buy any scientific book and try to navigate to it's own errata they link in the book. It's always dead.

Sure, just turn the three page article into a 500 page one with all the data and code.
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