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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by jcranmer »

_1tem wrote: post #33
WJW wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When there's hundreds of drones raining down on your civilians every day, just disabling the production has a a higher priority than being cutesy with things that might work further away into the future.

In several cases during World War II, the Allies intentionally allowed German attacks to happen (or did not act to prevent them) to avoid revealing that they had cracked German codes, particularly the Enigma cipher.

Actually, I don't think that's known to have ever happened. The Allies protected Ultra intelligence by parallel construction--coming up with other means to 'discover' the same information (principally, sending a reconnaissance flight to the known location of wolf packs).

The main claim for this myth is the sacrifice of Coventry during the Battle of Britain, but as far as I'm aware, historians are in general agreement that Ultra was unable to ascertain that Coventry was the target before the raid took place.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by pshirshov »

v5v3 wrote: post #34
trhway wrote: post #27

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By going to war with Ukraine Russia (very foolishly in my view) exposed itself to a number of possible "indirect actions" which weren't possible before as "direct actions". Like for example Ukrainian drone hitting one of the Russian strategic missile defense radars. Ukraine can potentially hit other strategic assets not that involved in the current war - say nuclear submarines for example.

Russia and all non-usa allies have been the winner. China etc have seen the strategies used in sanctions. They know how to limit their impact now. It's also brought Russia/China/Iran/North Korea and wider Brics together. It's been a disaster for the west. The measure of success was Russia weakened and ideally Putin weakened or gone. And instead Russia have shrugged off the sanctions, and Putin is much stronger. And t…

Sure thing comerade, they even have a submarine missile cruiser.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by libertine »

taway1a2b3c wrote: post #22
pyrale wrote: post #11

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We’re talking about Ukraine and Russia, there has been a war going on for years now. Nobody needs or wants plausible deniability here.

I think the point being made is that Western agencies (5-eyes) would give Ukranian intelligence the button to push (indirect action) and not push it themselves (direct action).

The point is trying to claim something without any evidence that supports it.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by 725686 »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #206
bapak wrote: post #198

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Why did they raid you?

Short version: Possibly the worst thing to be raided for: distribution of CSAM. Apparently based purely on the 'evidence' of my IP address being on some list - that's the only explanation I ever got. Funny thing is, they did so little background research they didn't even know to expect kids in the house when they raided at 6:30am. It still triggers me. This was in August 2022. I wrote pages and pages of my memories a…

In the USA? Where you can be sued if someone slips on your sidewalk? Can't you sue the gvmt?

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by libertine »

sjw987 wrote: post #82
vardump wrote: post #39

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China has been a big winner, it can now get cheap energy and it gets to set Russia whatever conditions it pleases. Russia is now utterly dependent on China for many imports. Russia itself has been the biggest loser. Massive budget deficits, massive inflation. 1M of its smartest people have moved abroad. 1M Russian casualties in the war. Demographics and economy are disastrous. That and Russia is now a pariah state. N…

I mostly agree, except the pariah state part. Russia is hedging that the "pariah state" label will wear off pretty quickly. The current US government has as recently as March floated the idea of normalising business ties, and constantly flip-flops it's position. However, the biggest loser has definitely been Europe (including Britain). High energy prices have cascaded the cost of living crisis, which in turn has led…

If you think Europe is the biggest loser, you need to dig a bit deeper on the state of Russia... I might be wrong, but there's no recovery from this blunder for many, many years - if it manages to stay a Federation, that's yet to be seen, but my guess is China will take a chunk out of Russia eventually.

Remember Russia in 3 years had: - 1 Military coup;

- Lost 50% of the Black Sea Fleet and it's now unusable;

- 1.000.000+ casualties (dead and severely wounded)

- Mass exodus of qualified young people;

- Lost Military allies from CSTO and rendered the alliance into a joke;

- Completely lost presence in the Middle East (I don't see how they will recover from it);

- Losing influence in neighboring countries;

The list goes on, like demographic collapse, etc

So, I find it hard to see Europe as the loser here; at worst, Europe is doing "ok".

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by orbital-decay »

alephnerd wrote: post #216
orbital-decay wrote: post #201

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This likely keeps normal people from seeing this way better than it keeps away any hackers or bots, as Russian citizens are mostly using DPI circumvention tools. And this was a thing since the first days of the war, it's not something new. >that clearly doesn't change the situation in Russia Giving up is the easiest thing to do. Last time some people did, it was blamed on stereotypes like their "learned helplessness"…

The reality is, civilians cannot change a country's domestic foreign policy - especially in a country like Russia. Revolutions don't work without alignment from power centers like the police, military, judiciary, and a subset of legislators. Hosni Mubarak wasn't overthrown because of protesters in Tahrir Square - he was overthrown because General Sisi decided to ignore shoot-on-sight orders. There's no reason for Ukr…

Claiming the exposure doesn't work is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The reality is that awareness is a major factor, that was literally the main way of the power takeover in Russia (see e.g. Suponev, Ernst, Gusinsky, and Listyev). Russian government is really careful about doing things slowly and getting away with everything people let them get away with, and stopping dehumanization and letting people hearing voices is really important. Even if people right now disagree or think of it as propaganda (which it usually is, I hope nobody has any illusions about that), just existence of something in the background is enough to set up something else in the future. The time for the change will inevitably come like it always does, and the question then will become "what Ukrainian media did all this time, and where the hell they were". Turns out they may have not existed at all as well - out of sight, out of mind.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by CapricornNoble »

simion314 wrote: post #199
CapricornNoble wrote: post #124

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> Ruzzia advances in Ukraine slower then a snail, check the numbers. and there are more than 1000 Ruz casualties for square km Net Russian gains in June 2025 were 572 km^2.* In order for your statement to hold true, Russia would have suffered over half a million casualties in June alone . Where is your evidence to support such an assertion? * https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1lpspn...

>Net Russian gains in June 2025 were 572 km^2.* In order for your statement to hold true, Russia would have suffered over half a million casualties in June alone. Where is your evidence to support such an assertion? Or my average is not a daily or monthly, do it again for the last 1 year. 2 years. Can you also calculare for us how many years until Ruzzia reaches Kyiv and how many casualties ?

> Or my average is not a daily or monthly, do it again for the last 1 year. 2 years.

That would make even less sense. The thread I linked has the appropriate data going back to April 2024. We can toss that into a spreadsheet or LLM to get the total Russian gains in the past year, as you requested.

ChatGPT calculates total Russian territorial control change at ~6000km^2. So are you now saying the Russians actually have 6 million casualties? Again, please support assertion. The only number that doesn't make sense here is your "Russians are taking 1000 casualties per square kilometer".

> Can you also calculare for us how many years until Ruzzia reaches Kyiv and how many casualties ?

It's been on my list of "Things to Do" for a while. I want to whip up a Rust library to run TNDM/QJM calculations on the Russo-Ukrainian War. For now, I will only state that rates of advance in warfare are non-linear. Past a certain point of weakness, collapse is rapid. I think Operation Bagration is a good case to examine in detail, as many of the frontline German divisions had REALLY thin manning. The Ukrainian frontline is manned at something like ~40% strength, and with a large number of old and infirm conscripts. They are relying heavily on drones to keep the Russians from locally massing combat power. I'm not sure where the breakpoint is in Ukrainian manpower past which their brigades will shatter.

But just pulling an estimate out of my butt: 2 years and an additional 500,000 Russian non-recoverable losses. shrug

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Post by Muromec »

725686 wrote: post #225
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Short version: Possibly the worst thing to be raided for: distribution of CSAM. Apparently based purely on the 'evidence' of my IP address being on some list - that's the only explanation I ever got. Funny thing is, they did so little background research they didn't even know to expect kids in the house when they raided at 6:30am. It still triggers me. This was in August 2022. I wrote pages and pages of my memories a…

In the USA? Where you can be sued if someone slips on your sidewalk? Can't you sue the gvmt?

Why would you be able to sue the government for conducting a search authorized by a judge? It's expected that result of some searches is "Oopsie doopsie nothing found".

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by goda90 »

tastyfreeze wrote: post #220
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Short version: Possibly the worst thing to be raided for: distribution of CSAM. Apparently based purely on the 'evidence' of my IP address being on some list - that's the only explanation I ever got. Funny thing is, they did so little background research they didn't even know to expect kids in the house when they raided at 6:30am. It still triggers me. This was in August 2022. I wrote pages and pages of my memories a…

Where you actually charged and prosecuted for anything or did they just steal your gear without due process?

The latter wouldn't be unheard of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United...
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