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Re: Apple vs the Law

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Post by SSLy »

strogonoff wrote: post #194
pmontra wrote: post #96

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All iOS and Android developers I know don't write app that they sell themselves. They work for customers that more often than not give away their apps for free because they make money from the service the app gives access to. And they don't sell the service on the app store. Think about banks, insurance companies, TV broadcasters, train timetables and services, cars management, etc.

Making quality software is usually a business, and if you distribute it in walled gardens even more so. That said, I have a number of iOS apps installed that I know are developed and sold by specific individuals or small businesses: myNoise, NetNewsWire, The Iconfactory (Bitcam, Tapestry), Sun Seeker, Rarevision VHS are some examples. I am sure there are plenty more, but there are reasons someone would not want to pu…

> If there was a comparable precursor that I am not aware of, I would be keen to know.

Play Store Apps is contemporary to App Store, no?

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

jonnybgood wrote: post #209
pjmlp wrote: post #202

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Easy, on the car companies that already exist with much better build quality. We don't need cars from fascists.

> We don't need cars from fascists. To be fair, that’s not what they said. I believe they’re asking where are the car companies of Tesla’s size and market position.

> Tesla’s size and market position.

Like, Tesla are very small (in terms of cars sold) but very large in terms of valuation. Seems like a once-off, not something that would be replicable (anywhere).

Re: Apple vs the Law

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Post by cess11 »

giingyui wrote: post #206
xandrius wrote: post #171

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Where would you place it? I'm curious because centre-right is quite spot on.

Socially and economically left wing. Progressive socially and interventionist economically.

Is this a joke? The EU is the product of large industrialists institutionalising their liberalist, capitalist values as an international bureaucracy.

It hardly cares about unions beyond what the ECHR and ILO treaties demands, i.e. it's obviously not left wing. If it was inherently left wing it wouldn't have the kind of parliament it has, but rather something like Yugoslavia or the DDR did.

It's also not conservative, hence why that movement has had to bolt on militarisation and stuff like Frontex.

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

hnlmorg wrote: post #212
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #192

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Since when is Airbus a small company and not part of the large state supported corp monopoly gang? Same with SAP, Roche and Bayer. These are all masive corporations that swallowed entire sectors. Same with Spotify having used its monopoly status to screw over smaller artists. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I read such comments. Let me ask you guys something else, if EU hates large monopolist companies so muc…

How is Tesla an example of your point? It’s the biggest EV manufacturer owned by one of the world’s richest men. Perhaps the problem here isn’t that smaller brands don’t exist, it’s that if we give examples of smaller brands then you’ll argue “Never heard of them. Thus proof that the EU is holding them back” And if we mention household names then you’d argue “Those aren’t small companies” You’ve basically crafted an…

BYD Q4 sales (only NEV): https://tridenstechnology.com/byd-sales-statistics/ approx 600k.

Tesla Q4 sales: https://ir.tesla.com/press-release/tesla-fourth-quarter-2024... approx 500k.

So Tesla are not the biggest anymore (which honestly surprised me).

Re: Apple vs the Law

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Post by fmajid »

FWIW, I was speaking yesterday with a friend who works on Big Tech antitrust at the European Commission, and he surprised me by telling me he considers Apple the worst of a rum lot, followed by Meta, Amazon then Google.

Re: Apple vs the Law

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Post by giingyui »

cess11 wrote: post #223
giingyui wrote: post #206

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Socially and economically left wing. Progressive socially and interventionist economically.

Is this a joke? The EU is the product of large industrialists institutionalising their liberalist, capitalist values as an international bureaucracy. It hardly cares about unions beyond what the ECHR and ILO treaties demands, i.e. it's obviously not left wing. If it was inherently left wing it wouldn't have the kind of parliament it has, but rather something like Yugoslavia or the DDR did. It's also not conservative,…

It’s not the eighties anymore. The world has moved on. You have to look at things from the perspective of the present. Forget Yugoslavia.

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Post by scotty79 »

pyman wrote: post #64
scotty79 wrote: post #42

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They don't want to get eaten. We already had symbolic real assassinations of CEOs. It's only a matter of time. You can call it savagery, but you also can call it economics.

Politics is funded by the rich. It's the only way to win an election. Just like a VC investment is the only way to build AI.

If you need to mitigate the danger quickly it's only prudent to try to do it yourself than to delegate to politicians you bought. Especially if you neglected the problem for so long.

That's why billionaires are talking about basic income before politicians do. They know the window for their survival is closing fast.

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Post by saubeidl »

giingyui wrote: post #226
cess11 wrote: post #223

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Is this a joke? The EU is the product of large industrialists institutionalising their liberalist, capitalist values as an international bureaucracy. It hardly cares about unions beyond what the ECHR and ILO treaties demands, i.e. it's obviously not left wing. If it was inherently left wing it wouldn't have the kind of parliament it has, but rather something like Yugoslavia or the DDR did. It's also not conservative,…

It’s not the eighties anymore. The world has moved on. You have to look at things from the perspective of the present. Forget Yugoslavia.

Yugoslavia was the perfect economic model. Forgetting it would be doing the world a disservice.

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Post by fsflover »

alt227 wrote: post #200
mschuster91 wrote: post #140

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As long as MS keeps making Windows worse and worse each release (and no one willing to develop decent ARM SoCs) and Android smartphone manufacturers keep releasing utter dogshit, Apple will have customers. They already market themselves as the privacy-friendly, "just works" alternative - and that's legitimately hard to fight. Apple isn't in the position it is just because they make factually good hardware or because…

IMO Apple have started to do the same. Their software is consistently getting buggier with worse user experiences, along with their reputation. Tech savy windows users that are trying out Apple are finding that it very much doesnt 'Just Work' anymore, and that sentiment is starting to creep out more and more. Take a look at Linuses recent evaluation of macOS by using only a Mac for a solid 2 months. His conclusion is…

> Their software is consistently getting buggier with worse user experiences, along with their reputation.

Related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43243075

Re: Apple vs the Law

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Post by saubeidl »

dan-robertson wrote: post #160

I’m a bit conflicted: when I used to care more about this freedom stuff say 10 years ago, I would have been more in favour of these regulations. Today I care less about that and more about security and I mostly think that Apple’s preferred approach is better for security than what the EU proposes. That said, I am not super happy about the rate of scams or junk in the App Store. I think even for Americans who like the…

> as the other thing they want is removing as much encryption as reasonably possible, which you may not want

This is the wish of a vocal, but powerless minority, not an actual law. It often gets misused as anti-EU FUD.

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