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Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by player1234 »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #101
benreesman wrote: post #47

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What we call an LLM today (by which almost everyone means an autogressive language model from the Generative Pretrained Transformer family tree, and BERTs are still doing important eork, believe that) is actually an offshoot of neural machine translation. This isn't (intentionally at least) mere HN pedantry: they really do act like translation tools in a bunch of observable ways. And while they have recently crossed…

>LLMs? Look more and more like the Metaverse every day as concerns the economics. ChatGPT has 800M+ weekly active users how is that comparable to the Metaverse in any way?

I can give a way 800M+ of anything for free. How many of these users are willing to pay OpenAI enough for full ROI and profits on top?

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by osigurdson »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #205
osigurdson wrote: post #203

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Lot's of Microsoft shops (majority even) use ADO which is basically github + project management. I'd say most devs targeting Windows use git in some form. If not, what are you using? If git is installed, so is git bash. So bash is basically everywhere, even on Windows. The difference is, I'd say 1/50 devs using Windows actually know this.

The video games industry uses Perforce. I currently use what is publicly referred to as Sapling. Even if GitBash is installed, and I’m happy to concede it is, there are a variety of hurdles. Both technical and practical. But I will concede it is technically possible. I will however maintain that bash is not everywhere in practice. And that if you write libraries or projects that expect Windows users to run bash scrip…

Well, at least you know that you can use bash on Windows now. Maybe they will integrate in directly as an alternative to cmd and powershell one day. That would be nice.

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by sebzim4500 »

player1234 wrote: post #221
sebzim4500 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>LLMs? Look more and more like the Metaverse every day as concerns the economics. ChatGPT has 800M+ weekly active users how is that comparable to the Metaverse in any way?

I can give a way 800M+ of anything for free. How many of these users are willing to pay OpenAI enough for full ROI and profits on top?

>I can give a way 800M+ of anything for free

No you can't, be serious. 10% of the global population is using their service, you can't just pretend that isn't impressive.

There are a lot of free websites, they do not have 800M users.

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by theshrike79 »

jayd16 wrote: post #27
mritchie712 wrote: post #2

> try completing a GitHub task with the GitHub MCP, then repeat it with the gh CLI tool. You'll almost certainly find the latter uses context far more efficiently and you get to your intended results quicker. This is spot on. I have a "devops" folder with a CLAUDE.md with bash commands for common tasks (e.g. find prod / staging logs with this integration ID). When I complete a novel task (e.g. count all the rows that…

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills sometimes. You have a file with a set of snippets and you prefer to ask the AI to hopefully run them instead of just running it yourself?

The AI will run whatever command it figures out might work, which might be wasteful and taint the context with useless crap.

But when you give it tools for retrieving all client+server logs combined (for a web application), it can use it and just get what it needs as simply as possible.

Or it'll start finding a function by digging around code files with grep, if you provide a tool that just lists all functions, their parameters and locations, it'll find the exact spot in one go.

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by theshrike79 »

lsaferite wrote: post #4
mritchie712 wrote: post #2

> try completing a GitHub task with the GitHub MCP, then repeat it with the gh CLI tool. You'll almost certainly find the latter uses context far more efficiently and you get to your intended results quicker. This is spot on. I have a "devops" folder with a CLAUDE.md with bash commands for common tasks (e.g. find prod / staging logs with this integration ID). When I complete a novel task (e.g. count all the rows that…

Just as a related aside, you could literally make that bottom section into a super simple stdio MCP Server and attach that to Claude Code. Each of your operations could be a tool and have a well-defined schema for parameters. Then you are giving the LLM a more structured and defined way to access your custom commands. I'm pretty positive there are even pre-made MCP Servers that are designed for just this activity. Ed…

The problem with MCP is that it's not composeable.

With separate tools or command snippets the LLM can run one command, feed the result to another command and grep that result for whatever it needs. One composed command or script and it gets exactly what it needed.

With MCPs it'd need to run every command separately, spending precious context for shuffling data from MCP tool to another.

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by sizzle »

soulofmischief wrote: post #218
sizzle wrote: post #166

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Ahh yes let’s get the next generation addicted to literal screens strapped to their eyeballs for maximum monetization, humanity be damned. Glad it’s a failing bet. Now sex bots might be onto something…

That's extremely judgmental of you. There is strong merit in building online, international but close-knit communities. I have met many friends for life through the internet and through my own experience as CTO of a popular metaverse project (that failed because of a hostile takeover and ridiculous pivot to a sex bot startup that spat in the face of our loyal users) I cared deeply about our users, about connection an…

You know you can do all that in meatspace for free right now, as our species has been doing since the dawn of civilization.

I’m not convinced a literal screen strapped to your face can beat your human senses perceiving the world and other human beings in the flesh at a biochemical level.

Not until people are strapped with IV drug releasing devices flooding their brains with happy chemicals to imitate the joy of real life experiences with others. That would be barely scratching the surface of imitating human-human interaction.

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by soulofmischief »

sizzle wrote: post #226
soulofmischief wrote: post #218

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That's extremely judgmental of you. There is strong merit in building online, international but close-knit communities. I have met many friends for life through the internet and through my own experience as CTO of a popular metaverse project (that failed because of a hostile takeover and ridiculous pivot to a sex bot startup that spat in the face of our loyal users) I cared deeply about our users, about connection an…

You know you can do all that in meatspace for free right now, as our species has been doing since the dawn of civilization. I’m not convinced a literal screen strapped to your face can beat your human senses perceiving the world and other human beings in the flesh at a biochemical level. Not until people are strapped with IV drug releasing devices flooding their brains with happy chemicals to imitate the joy of real…

The cool thing is that I don't need your approval or permission to decide how I want to network with others, or in what ways I decide to integrate technology into my networking.

> I’m not convinced a literal screen strapped to your face can beat your human senses perceiving the world and other human beings in the flesh at a biochemical level.

No shit? I already said VR isn't a core part of the metaverse vision. Zuckerburg didn't invent the concept of the metaverse or its modern incarnation, he co-opted it and even changed his company name in an attempt to make the metaverse synonymous with his company and particular vision. Do everyone a favor and decouple this from your understanding of what the metaverse scene set out to do.

My network stretches across the globe, it's impossible to replicate this without technology. Judge less, seek to understand more.

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by tayloramurphy »

mritchie712 wrote: post #2

> try completing a GitHub task with the GitHub MCP, then repeat it with the gh CLI tool. You'll almost certainly find the latter uses context far more efficiently and you get to your intended results quicker. This is spot on. I have a "devops" folder with a CLAUDE.md with bash commands for common tasks (e.g. find prod / staging logs with this integration ID). When I complete a novel task (e.g. count all the rows that…

Fun to see Meltano mentioned here :)

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by mritchie712 »

tayloramurphy wrote: post #228
mritchie712 wrote: post #2

> try completing a GitHub task with the GitHub MCP, then repeat it with the gh CLI tool. You'll almost certainly find the latter uses context far more efficiently and you get to your intended results quicker. This is spot on. I have a "devops" folder with a CLAUDE.md with bash commands for common tasks (e.g. find prod / staging logs with this integration ID). When I complete a novel task (e.g. count all the rows that…

Fun to see Meltano mentioned here :)

meltano4life

Re: Tools: Code Is All You Need

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Post by basch »

lotsoweiners wrote: post #163
basch wrote: post #68

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No way. Everybody under a certain age is using ChatGPT, where they were once using search and friendship/expertises. It’s the number 1 app in the App Store. Copilot use in the enterprise is so seamless, you just talk to PowerPoint or outlook and it formulated what you were supposed to make or write. It’s not a fad, it is a paradigm change. People don’t need to understand how it works for it to work.

> It’s the number 1 app in the App Store. When I checked the iOS App Store just now, something called Love Island USA is the #1 free app. Kinda makes you think….

It's back to #1. The show is towards the end of the season and people need to vote for their favorite couples. Itll drop off the chart soon. ChatGPT will not.

A little surprised to see Threads at 4 though.

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