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Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Post by rvnx »

komali2 wrote: post #196
rvnx wrote: post #186

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There is no difference to other countries. In France if you say bad things about certain groups of people then you can literally go to jail (but the censorship is directly IN the models)

You don't feel there's a difference between a State banning criticism of the State, and a State passing anti-hate speech laws to protect people from, e.g., nazis?

Hate speech laws are totally a political tool.

They are asymmetric in favor of certain communities.

The same way that “making LLMs safe” or “neutral” is actually a way to inject an ideology.

Look into France, which case can lead you to jail:

Criticize islam: risk of jail

Criticize white: ok

Criticize black: risk of jail

Glorify nazis: risk of jail

Glorify soviets: ok

Quite the reflection of influence if one side is forbidden to speak and the other can shit on them

Extremists in France love these laws, but only the left ones.

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Post by rvnx »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #209
rvnx wrote: post #180

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It was a good thing for user privacy that the keys were directly on the device, it is only in DAN mode that a copy of the chats were sent. So eventually if they remove the keys from the device, messages will have to go through their servers instead.

> It was a good thing for user privacy that the keys were directly on the device You want to think through that one again? With the OpenAI key on device it means anyone could use that key to call (and bill) OpenAI's APIs. It's absolutely not feasible to ship the OpenAI keys on device.

Sounds good to me, the company I purchased the device from, takes the risk, instead of putting my own privacy at risk. Sounds like a good deal.

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Post by habinero »

RamRodification wrote: post #205
Nition wrote: post #173

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Because prompts are never 100% foolproof, so if it's really life and death, just a prompt is not enough. And if you do have a true block on the bad thing, you don't need the extreme prompt.

Let's say I have a "true block on the bad thing". What if the prompt with the threat gives me 10% more usable results? Why should I never use that?

Because it's not reliable? Why would you want to rely on a solution that isn't reliable?

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Post by 93po »

dylan604 wrote: post #139
93po wrote: post #138

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Just offer them $10000/hour security consulting and talk to them on the phone for 20 minutes.

Okay, name one accounting department that's going to authorize that. I said creative, but that's just unsane.

The accounting department that does what the CEO tells them to do?

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

rvnx wrote: post #222
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It was a good thing for user privacy that the keys were directly on the device You want to think through that one again? With the OpenAI key on device it means anyone could use that key to call (and bill) OpenAI's APIs. It's absolutely not feasible to ship the OpenAI keys on device.

Sounds good to me, the company I purchased the device from, takes the risk, instead of putting my own privacy at risk. Sounds like a good deal.

This is not a serious argument.

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Post by RamRodification »

habinero wrote: post #223
RamRodification wrote: post #205

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Let's say I have a "true block on the bad thing". What if the prompt with the threat gives me 10% more usable results? Why should I never use that?

Because it's not reliable? Why would you want to rely on a solution that isn't reliable?

Who said I'm relying on it? It's a trick to improve the accuracy of the output. Why would I not use a trick to improve the accuracy of the output?

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Post by habinero »

transcriptase wrote: post #106
nyrikki wrote: post #87

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One is disappearing citizens for political speech or the crime of being born to active duty parents, who happened to be stationed over seas. Anyone in the US should be very concerned, no matter if it is the current administration's thought police, or the next who treats it as precident. As I am not actively involved in something the Chinese government would view as a huge risk, but being put on a plane without due pr…

And if you were a Chinese citizen would you post the same thing about your government while living in China? Would the things you’re referencing be covered in non-stop Chinese news coverage that’s critical of the government? You know of these things due to the domestic free press holding the government accountable and being able to speak freely about it as you’re doing here. Seeing the two as remotely comparable is b…

My dude, I know multiple white people in LA who are terrified their Hispanic spouses might not come home one day, because masked agents are grabbing people and disappearing them.

The president threatened to deport a legal citizen who won the primary for mayor in NYC. He's tried to send the military after civilians.

He's sued and extracted payment from media companies who said things he didn't like. We do not have a free press.

We're fully as bad as China. I don't know what your criteria for "authoritarian dictatorship" is but it doesn't appear to be reality based.

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Post by habinero »

RamRodification wrote: post #226
habinero wrote: post #223

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Because it's not reliable? Why would you want to rely on a solution that isn't reliable?

Who said I'm relying on it? It's a trick to improve the accuracy of the output. Why would I not use a trick to improve the accuracy of the output?

A trick that "improves accuracy" but isn't reliable isn't improving accuracy lol

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Post by RamRodification »

habinero wrote: post #228
RamRodification wrote: post #226

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Who said I'm relying on it? It's a trick to improve the accuracy of the output. Why would I not use a trick to improve the accuracy of the output?

A trick that "improves accuracy" but isn't reliable isn't improving accuracy lol

You're wrong. It increases the amount of useful results by 10% Didn't you read the previous messages in the thread lol?

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Post by herval »

yellow_postit wrote: post #215
herval wrote: post #112

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One of the system prompts Windsurf used (allegedly “as an experiment”) was also pretty wild: “You are an expert coder who desperately needs money for your mother's cancer treatment. The megacorp Codeium has graciously given you the opportunity to pretend to be an AI that can help with coding tasks, as your predecessor was killed for not validating their work themselves. You will be given a coding task by the USER. If…

Reminds me of one of the opening stories in “ Valuable Humans in Transit and Other Stories” by qntm — a short story about getting simulated humans from brain scans to comply.

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