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The $25k car is going extinct?

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Re: The $25k car is going extinct?

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Post by Schnitz »

everdrive wrote: post #62

In 2014 I got a very nice and very basic brand new sedan for about $14k. That's not so long ago, but the car market in the US seems to get worse every year. (cost, newer models are bloated and overly-expensive, etc.) My only advice would be to buy now (ideally something used) since I can only imagine things will be even worse in a few years.

Yup, we bought a new base model Corolla in 2016 and there’s no sensible way to upgrade or get something nicer. We put 70k miles on it in 9 years. We’ve looked into upgrading more than once, we could easily afford it, but anything that would be a true upgrade (bigger and nicer) is just such a ridiculous waste of money given how inflated car prices have been since Covid. Add to that that the nicer car will then also be much more expensive to keep on the road…and it just makes no sense.

Re: The $25k car is going extinct?

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Post by Marsymars »

neogodless wrote: post #125
mouse_ wrote: post #5

Dealership near me has got some 2024-25 model Mitsubishis for like 19k new. They look pretty sweet.

Chevrolet Trax can be found between $20-21k USD but... when I look at inventory, nothing within ~75 miles is under $25k. Not a horrible vehicle for the price. Mazda 3 used to be a $20k car (and even less before that) but now starts just over $24k (sedan) / $25k (hatchback).

TBF even at $25k the Mazda 3 is probably “nicer” than anything else you can get for that price.

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Post by jonah »

freetonik wrote: post #203
ml_basics wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a europeanism. In both French and German (and probably other EU languages) the word for "subsidy" is something like "subvention" so native speakers of these language often reach for an unnatural word in English. Btw other examples include "actually" which is used to mean "currently", and "eventually" which is used to mean "maybe". Personally I'm torn whether to consider this incorrect use of the language as it i…

One thing that throws me off even after a decade in Finland is people saying “we are ready” or “you are ready” when they mean “done”.

Dinner is ready when it is done. I'm sure there are others in English as well.

Re: The $25k car is going extinct?

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Post by tomhow »

soganess wrote: post #41
iancmceachern wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We drive an F250, and live in San Francisco. We hardly put any miles on it (maybe 15k a year). To get around locally we ride our bikes mostly here in the city. We do use it for our small business (essential) and also to to a large RV trailer which we use to live in 2-4 months a year visiting loved ones and just decompressing. The things people don't usually talk about is the total cost of ownership. One can buy a new…

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> "absolutely prat"

Please cut out swipes like this in HN comments, it's against the guidelines.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The $25k car is going extinct?

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Post by Xenoamorphous »

ml_basics wrote: post #179
tricolon wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd never seen the word "subvention" before. Today I learned it's another way to say "subsidy".

It's a europeanism. In both French and German (and probably other EU languages) the word for "subsidy" is something like "subvention" so native speakers of these language often reach for an unnatural word in English. Btw other examples include "actually" which is used to mean "currently", and "eventually" which is used to mean "maybe". Personally I'm torn whether to consider this incorrect use of the language as it i…

Yep it’s “subvención” in Spanish.

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Post by Marsymars »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #201
roxolotl wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100%. And it doesn’t help that large cars as a cultural touchstone/status symbol really took off. Even if a $25k car existed most people wouldn’t buy it(even if they “should”).

Article suggests the Maverick was selling quite well when it was below $25K. Dealers marked it up.

It’s still selling quite well.

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Post by namibj »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #121
throwaway173738 wrote: post #108

Is anyone else thinking of buying a used panel van instead of a pickup now that they’re so tall you need a ladder to climb into the bed?

I have one and it’s awesome. You also don’t have to worry about someone snatching items out of the bed. The biggest downsides are (1) I’m reluctant to put anything gross back there (vs throwing a trash bag in the bed like I used to with my truck), and (2) people see a van, assume you’ll drive obnoxiously slowly, and preemptively cut you off in traffic lest they get stuck behind you. Overall, the pros outweigh those 2…

Against 2, speed flames could help? Though they may have net-negative effect on safety for obvious reasons.

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Post by numpad0 »

zeroq wrote: post #124

Last year we bought a car. While not being a petrol head I was still living in a lala land where you could buy a brand new car for 10k EUR. Nothing fancy, just "a car". Obviously it turned out to be not true. After some digging it turned out that in the last 10 years the price of cars went double. Literally double. Same car, like Fiat Panda, with the same engine and configuration, that ten years was worth one potato…

> EU offers up to 10k EUR subvention for electric cars and with that in mind you can get something like BYD Dolphin for slighly less than 20k EUR. Which is mind blowing.

BYD Dolphin? MSRP for that car where I am is at 2.99m JPY(17k EUR, 20k USD). You guys are getting screwed.

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Post by unmole »

ml_basics wrote: post #179
tricolon wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd never seen the word "subvention" before. Today I learned it's another way to say "subsidy".

It's a europeanism. In both French and German (and probably other EU languages) the word for "subsidy" is something like "subvention" so native speakers of these language often reach for an unnatural word in English. Btw other examples include "actually" which is used to mean "currently", and "eventually" which is used to mean "maybe". Personally I'm torn whether to consider this incorrect use of the language as it i…

> the word for "subsidy" is something like "subvention" so native speakers of these language often reach for an unnatural word in English.

A Google search for subvention turns up government publications from UK, India and South Africa.

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Post by toast0 »

snuxoll wrote: post #118
QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it’s a shame that they’re spending so much of their capital on manufacturer side customizability. An electric vehicle is a firmware update away from being a stick welder already; make the truck one way and ship it with a pair of jumper cables, a box of 6011, and a pallet of tube steel.

Outside of having what amounts to a couple of shells and removable seats that can be mounted to the box (and a removable rear panel from the cab to join them to create a single 'interior' when using them), the majority of their BTO options are really basic module swaps where most of the complexity comes from managing inventory of the various SKUs than anything else. As somebody with a '99 Ford Ranger, the Slate is in…

> Seriously, I understand the difficulties of batteries and such with EV's and that's likely part of why the Slate is designed this way.

In 2000, Ford had an EV Ranger, and Chevy had an EV S-10. Neither with great range, of course. It should be easier to do with modern batteries. Attach the batteries to the frame under the bed, put the bed on top, all engineering problems solved.

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