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Post by sneak »

discostrings wrote: post #197
aqme28 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. I feel like this clause is violated very often by major apps: > Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages.

Uber violates this. At least as of a few years ago, there was no way to get notifications about driver arrival without also getting special offer and Uber Eats spam notifications periodically. Not only was there no opt-in consent, there was no way to turn them off without disabling the status updates. It's particularly bad when apps with legitimate time-sensitive functionality do this. I denied the app the ability to…

DoorDash also. I tend to uninstall apps that do this if I have any alternative to them.

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Post by JimDabell »

somenameforme wrote: post #161
keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

> Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting.

iPhone sales aren’t plummeting at all:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/263401/global-apple-ipho...

https://www.demandsage.com/iphone-user-statistics/

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Post by ls-a »

keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Ads are planed to come to every single wallet out there. Card companies, merchants, and tech companies are working on this together. Apple just thought it would be a good idea to be the first to launch it. Soon it will be a norm and everyone will forget about it or even find it useful.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bluedevilzn wrote: post #71
jmsdnns wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs hated ads. You're right that he never wouldve done what Apple is doing now. Cook needs to stop listening to investors, like Warren Buffett, because he's letting them wreck Apple's integrity for the sake of making a buck. Apple just isnt user focused like they used to be and it's crappy.

Jobs created iAd. He hated bad ads. Here’s him announcing and talking about ads in WWDC: https://youtu.be/eY3BZzzLaaM?si=Dttc5eJJ1B7Zf3sB

Yeah, “Jobs hated ads” is a such a wild rewriting of the history of one of industry’s greatest marketers and, yes, ad men. (1984 commercial. Mac vs PC.)

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Post by pornel »

briandw wrote: post #198

The Apple of old had a deep respect for their users. We paid for a product that tried its best to sweat the details and deliver the best experience possible. UX was king. Apple made hard choices and delivered minimal, thoughtful and delightful products. The motto was "less but better". Today we have an Apple that keeps pushing new poorly thought out features. More and more they don't respect the user. Constant interr…

Apple has reverted to being a regular company. Everything is a potential revenue stream, and decisions are made based on next-quarter ROI. They needed the movie investment to meet the targets, so they've synergized with the Wallet team.

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Post by [deleted] »

ls-a wrote: post #223
keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Ads are planed to come to every single wallet out there. Card companies, merchants, and tech companies are working on this together. Apple just thought it would be a good idea to be the first to launch it. Soon it will be a norm and everyone will forget about it or even find it useful.

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Post by gumby271 »

triska wrote: post #18
bambax wrote: post #12

> That Apple can be trusted in ways that other “big tech” companies cannot. That's funny. Why would Apple be "different"?

Quoting from https://www.apple.com/privacy/ : "Privacy. That’s Apple. Privacy is a fundamental human right. It’s also one of our core values. Which is why we design our products and services to protect it. That’s the kind of innovation we believe in." So, Apple explicitly advertises with privacy, which makes it very different from other big tech companies, and it seems justified to expect it to uphold its promise. "P…

Privacy. Except when you want to install software on a computer you own, then Apple has to know about it and approve of it. That's Apple.

It's wild to me they would claim privacy as some human right while making the only computer in the world you can't actually control without their involvement.

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Post by lmm »

mslansn wrote: post #218
andrewinardeer wrote: post #17

I'm sure at some marketing meeting at Google, a VP racing for pole posiiton has wanted to green-light the idea of putting advertisements in their Wallet app. With any luck this backlash against Apple is so significant that a red flag is waved so ferociously that Google will never blast an advertisement out to their Google Wallet users. As the article outlines, I am sure that due to the sheer number of people who use…

Google Photos, which comes installed by default on all Android phones, sends notifications asking you to print an album with your photos through a partner.

That doesn't feel like a comparable violation. I've bought more than one (physical) photo album that came with a flyer in for ordering more copies.

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Post by sneak »

righthand wrote: post #208

> The perception of privacy is just as important as the technical details that make something actually private. Well at least it’s acknowledged Apple privacy is only perception and not actually secure or private.

No, people really believe their nonsense marketing. The whole “FBI vs Apple” soap opera they cooked up after the San Bernardino shooting thing convinced a lot of people.

Meanwhile Apple preserves a backdoor in the iMessage end to end encryption (in the form of non-e2ee iCloud Backups) for the FBI.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-apple-dropped-plan-...

(iCloud e2ee availability is irrelevant; nobody has it enabled.)

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