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Schizophrenia is the price we pay for minds poised near the edge of a cliff

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She will break down, then she'll get strong meds and she'll change unrecognizably. Think twice before making a long relationship with this person. You'll get a lot of stress and eventually she'll change drastically. Schizophrenia has a strong genetic component, so think twice about making a children as well.

Please don't downvote or flag this person unless you have a family member (or better, family member s ) with schizophrenia.

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The fact that in different parts of the world the voices can be helpful instead of intrusive makes me feel like the drugs are not the problem but how external forces view the drugs or if we really wanna talk like crazy people how the drugs influence the people around you even if they do not directly know you are using the drugs.

You’re right and wrong. The voices are quite real, we’re not alone in our own minds, and the it is the greatest taboo of society to discuss. It’s really sad, all of these sharp modernists determined upon the cult of science explanations for everything. Those who refuse to believe our thoughts are not all our own. That much mysticism is rooted in something that merely cannot be explained by the logical empirical mind.…

I don't hear any voices in my head aside from my own. Are you saying that they're present and I'm pretending they're not?

I get impulses. Science knows about and studies these. But I don't hear any voices.

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>Exchanging a risk for cancer for a risk of schizophrenia is not a win-win situation But it can be though. Consider a population that works with carcinogens like coal. due to capitalist class structures, they cannot leave their occupation, so a gene that would increase their survivability would be a great help.

Schizophrenia is far more likely to prevent you from reproducing than cancer, because schizophrenia hits way earlier.

Yes, this is what I was going to comment, and adding that it was funny they used a coal miner as an example since my family side that has the mood disorders were all coal miners in central PA.

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Genetics is messy - as I understand it most genes don't code for a single thing, so assuming evolution is "selecting for schizophrenia" that only implies that there is an evolutionary benefit to some of the things controlled by the same gene(s) that control schizophrenia, that outweighs the disadvantage of schizophrenia. Homosexuality is interesting from this perspective too - common enough that evolution has to be s…

For evolution to “select” for homosexuality, wouldn’t it have to be hereditary in large part? As far as I can tell, to the extent that theres any evidence for that the effect of genes on sexuality is kinda limited

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In Europe this (some rec drugs bring out latent schizophrenia) is taught in med school as a “known fact” (source: psychiatrist friend) so it’s well beyond “starting to seem”

This was treated as pretty much a fact when I took a class on psychological disorders in the US circa 2007, too.

Marijuana was known to do this in 1936.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kg0sK-dY98

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First, I’m sorry if there’s any typos I am doing speech to text on my iPhone writing this and it’s early in the morning. There are many psychiatrist that have different viewpoints, for example I’ve talked to many who see purines as a problem and then you have the whole keto/mitochondrial doctors. There are many psychiatrist that will never change their minds about mood disorders because why do they have to? I should…

Thank you so much for writing this. The thing about treating it all as some sort of an allergy makes sense for me since connecting some ideas from Gabor Mate about the immune system. And the covid triggering a phychosis like state rings true for me as well (not that I need to corroborate what you are saying, once you know you know). One of the worst trips I've had was "just" having covid during the summer.

You're welcome.

Yes, people underestimate how stress effects the immune system and why it is so hard for people to see this link even when they can become fatigued, depressed and irritable when they have a cold.

They have investigated me for some sort of primary immune deficiency and found low T cells but they said they were "not low enough to cause problems".

When I had COVID I was running around this small town hiding from people and taking pictures of the, texting them to my friend as evidence they were following me and spying on me, and picture of my van and how people were messing with it. They I thought she and her family were in on the conspiracy. She finally convinced me to take a klonopin and I came out of it enough to take some more and it was done. The next day I had a fever and COVID. So it was weird that both time sit preceded my physical illness.

Sending love to you and your partner and hoping she can stay curious about why she is ill.

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There’s no such thing as a “pro schizophrenia genes”. There are only genes that increase the risk of schizophrenia, and this is probably due to environmental variables. Exchanging a risk for cancer for a risk of schizophrenia is not a win-win situation. You’re just switching one set of risk genes for another.

> There are only genes that increase the risk of schizophrenia I think that's what GP was saying? > You’re just switching one set of risk genes for another. I think... that's what GP was saying?

>> You’re just switching one set of risk genes for another. > I think... that's what GP was saying?

If you are switching one low survival gene for another there is no net benefit.

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>The persistence of schizophrenia is an evolutionary enigma how much schizophrenia is actually going to manifest in peak procreating years?

Reproductive fitness does not end as soon as offspring are born. Maximising the likelihood of genetic continuation is a lifelong endeavor.

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If you have a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia it's starting to seem like drugs that seem harmless like marijuana (specifically THC?) can definitely bring it out. At least, that's what seemed to happen to my mother and another friend.

Or perhaps people predisposed to schizophrenia are more likely to seek out drugs. Something like 9 in 10 schizophrenics smoke cigarettes too, is schizophrenia caused by nicotine or do schizophrenics smoke because they’re predisposed to do so? I find it hard to believe that so many schizophrenics smoke cigarettes and are not also predisposed towards using other drugs. I think blindly accepting the statement ‘drugs can…

Iirc, there's some evidence that suggests that nicotine helps with the symptoms, so it's self-medicating.

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I believe my sensitivities came from a semi-nomadic people, but northern European cold climate, so I generally focus on staying in cooler climates.

Mine are from south-eastern Europe and I have been ignoring the longing for my mountain for so long, I've figured everyone longs for their habitat anyways so it's not that special. We also have a lot of mental health issues in my family since the switch to "civilization", not sure that any one of us is totally sane.

I think many people are suited just fine to handle all this pollution and stress and stationary living. The farmers have taken over the world and they have left us hunter/gatherers to struggle.
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