Burnt through some credits pretty quickly. The first few minutes of using it felt like a glimpse of what it was supposed to be like, but otherwise it spent a lot of time not getting basic things right with the UI and before I knew it I was done. Roughly 90 minutes for $20 it's not a good value when you can ostensibly have the same experience on your computer and have control over every aspect. I still can't clone the latest revised version of the codebase it created to my local computer. Between that and Fly's non-existent documentation, no usage meter of some kind, and the lack of unpaid support (even though I am paying to use the service?) makes me want to avoid Fly, which is unfortunate because I think it does a lot of things right, especially the tunneling and dev experience outside of phoenix.new.
Phoenix.new – Remote AI Runtime for Phoenix
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Re: Phoenix.new – Remote AI Runtime for Phoenix
#222Phoenix creator here. I'm happy to answer any questions about this! Also worth noting that phoenix.new is a global Elixir cluster that spans the planet. If you sign up in Australia, you get an IDE and agent placed in Sydney.
Include optional default email, auth, analytics, job management (you know… the one everyone uses ::cough:: Oban ::cough::), dev/staging/prod modes (with “deployment” or something akin to CD… I know it’s already in the cloud, but you know what I mean) and some kind of non-ephemeral disk storage, maybe even domain management… and this will slay. Base44 just got bought for $80M for supplying all those, but nothing is as cool as Elixir of course!
These other details that are not “just coding” are always the biggest actual impediments to “showing your work”. Thanks for making this!! Somehow I am only just discovering it (toddler kid robbing my “learning tech by osmosis” time… a phenomenon I believe you are also currently familiar with, lol)
Re: Phoenix.new – Remote AI Runtime for Phoenix
#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
What packages in Elixir have you found unmaintained/missing in the ecosystem? Genuinely curious.
anything OAuth
There is an excellent (maintained, funded, audited AND with official certification) erlang/Elixir library for that: https://github.com/erlef/oidcc
I have just shipped a production service centered around OAuth and interfacing with OpenID Connect servers.
Re: Phoenix.new – Remote AI Runtime for Phoenix
#224Heyy! Now we know why fly.io was shilling for AI a couple weeks ago. "They are not making money off AI".was the most common response to my pointing out they were shilling AI. Feels good to be right.
Maybe you mean the "My AI Skeptic Friends Are All Nuts" blog post on fly.io?
Where they have this nugget about plagiarism:
> But if you’re a software developer playing this card? Cut me a little slack as I ask you to shove this concern up your ass. No profession has demonstrated more contempt for intellectual property.
So I guess if you have concerns about them using any code you upload using this tool you can shove it up your ass.
Re: Phoenix.new – Remote AI Runtime for Phoenix
#225I love everything I read about Phoenix. It's definitely the framework I'm going to use the next time I need to scratch an itch.
Having a full stack that is easy to use as a learning sandbox is incredibly helpful in that regard, so this looks amazing.
Re: Phoenix.new – Remote AI Runtime for Phoenix
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is such a weird meme, Claude crushes elixir especially a fullstack app in liveview
Yea CC is great with phoenix / liveview. It’s been doing things that teach me new tricks about elixir I didn’t know yet.
What's a good place to start for a completely naive but interested user?
Re: Phoenix.new – Remote AI Runtime for Phoenix
#227I love the idea of Phoenix and server side rendering (I happen to work on SkyMass, a related project). This is a tangential comment and should not detract from what Chris and team have created. I think closing the loop between agent and the running output is a great/critical step forward. However, I find using AI to build transitional Apps with a UI is a bit like improving the way automobile steering wheels are made.…
I think it boils down to: if the AI screws up what I asked it to do, who do I have to hold accountable? If the answer is that there is no one I can hold accountable, because the AI agent I used removes any and all onus of responsibility in its terms of service, then I'm not going to use it for anything non-trivial.
Re: Phoenix.new – Remote AI Runtime for Phoenix
#228This is very cool! I will say though, my spidey senses kick in when looking at stuff like this, and make me wonder about how much I'm going to get vendored in here. Could I use it develop a site off fly.io? If the answer is no, then I'd say this is cool and I think useful for people who need something quick and simple and out of the box, but not something I would ever use on a serious production project.
Re: Phoenix.new – Remote AI Runtime for Phoenix
#229This is very cool! I will say though, my spidey senses kick in when looking at stuff like this, and make me wonder about how much I'm going to get vendored in here. Could I use it develop a site off fly.io? If the answer is no, then I'd say this is cool and I think useful for people who need something quick and simple and out of the box, but not something I would ever use on a serious production project.
It’s just producing Elixir/Phoenix code that is stored in GitHub and can be deployed anywhere.
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#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
Assuming you are on the $20 Zed plan? Has the 500 prompts/mo been sufficient for you? I'm debating between the Zed and Claude $20 plans-- no doubt I'd get better value from Zed's?
I have used Zed's plane with Claude and also Claude Code. They are very different experiences. Zed's agent work is very much a set it, go away, review, give some tips to it, iterate. As long as you use the Sonnet and absolutely avoid the burn mode (formerly max mode), it should do a lot of work for you. The main limitation I hit is the context window. As the codebase gets larger, it takes more context for it to get g…
Helpful feedback, thank you!