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Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out

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Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out

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I completely agree that taxes are insane, but what I find particularly insane about it is there are so many of them: income, sales, property, payroll, inflation, tariffs. It would make sense to have just one form of it, probably just inflation or otherwise a population-normalized land ownership tax. An alternative tax could be minor gas fees on a government-managed privacy-enabled gold-weighted crypto coin.

Do you know how rich people actually spend their money? They squander most of it on frivolous nonsense. Most of them are not looking to improve the lives of other people, and they mostly just want the gravy to continue while they take their scheduled monthly vacation in a distant land. I wouldn't exactly call them productive people. The person making your food delivery at low wages is more productive. The person struggling with problems, working to solve them, also is productive.

As for the government, it has both good and bad programs. A simple metric to measure is -- could they increase the life expectancy of people cumulatively over the next one hundred years, and by how much? This is the ultimate metric really.

You continue with your entitled feeling, now at the national level, and it will be your downfall. The truth is that West (mostly the UK) is actually what divided too many countries quite arbitrarily and unfairly in the previous century, leading to many unnecessary wars between them, also sowing terrorism. There is nothing but contempt toward the West for these actions. Consider it good fortune that the US didn't do it.

Trump voters look to have zero capability for independent thought, as they always agree with what their master does, as if he can do no wrong.

Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out

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There are a number of industries where you may need experience to become more productive than AI, but nobody wants to hire you when AI is more productive in the first couple of years. Is there a good equilibrium for this, or does it end up with each company saying "We won't hire the juniors, just the experienced people" and then finding there aren't enough experienced people around?

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Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out

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There are a number of industries where you may need experience to become more productive than AI, but nobody wants to hire you when AI is more productive in the first couple of years. Is there a good equilibrium for this, or does it end up with each company saying "We won't hire the juniors, just the experienced people" and then finding there aren't enough experienced people around?

That's such a valid concern, and I think it applies across many industries — including home decor and interior design. While AI tools can suggest layouts or color palettes instantly, what really matters is human intuition, creativity, and an understanding of client emotions something that only comes with real-world experience.

At smithinteriors, we often balance AI-driven tools with hands-on creative insights. But we also believe in giving junior designers a chance to learn and grow, because without mentorship and opportunity, there’ll never be enough experienced professionals in the future. It’s all about creating an environment where AI supports human creativity, not replaces it.

Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out

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> There is lots of data on which educational investments result in more stable cash flow vs less stable cash flow. The whole point of the comment you replied to was that this data is now wrong, as capital has continued to rug pull industries however it benefits them. So, once again, people can analyze all the data and make the "correct" decision and then still wind up in 40k of debt and no good job prospects.

Yes, but $40k of debt amortized over 20 years is not disabling. Plenty of jobs, even towards the lowest wages offered in most metros (which is $15+) can still allow for one to make progress. The point is going $160k in debt at a private or out of state school can disable you.

If you have 40k in debt and a $15 an hour job AND the expense of living in the a city you are well and truly fucked.

Forgive me for using the first link off google but using this it says it would take approx 20 years paying $300 a month to pay off $40k.

https://www.calculator.net/debt-payoff-calculator.html

You will have to somehow live on the remaining $1700 you take home after taxes and loan payment in cities where the rent for really shitty studios is about that and they want you to make 3x the rent to live indoors.

It's possible that you like most people who are living off much more than the minimum have no idea how ridiculously hard it is at the bottom.

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I completely agree that taxes are insane, but what I find particularly insane about it is there are so many of them: income, sales, property, payroll, inflation, tariffs. It would make sense to have just one form of it, probably just inflation or otherwise a population-normalized land ownership tax. An alternative tax could be minor gas fees on a government-managed privacy-enabled gold-weighted crypto coin. Do you kn…

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I did a lot of driving forklifts, construction, moving, factory work, etc when junior in the job market after graduating near the top of my class with strong internship experience from a top 10 engineering college. Adjusting expectations is important. If you start with the expectation that all you will have is a pot to piss in then it is all up from there. Things may never look up, but when they do, I've found a lot…

> people who were willing to wipe old peoples' asses when the economy is bad rather than wale about the circumstances. Isn’t there some quote about old men planting trees whose shade they’ll never know? Was that just a myth or did those generations actually exist?

Unclear origin, here's some investigation:

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2020/04/29/tree-shade/

Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out

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I completely agree that taxes are insane, but what I find particularly insane about it is there are so many of them: income, sales, property, payroll, inflation, tariffs. It would make sense to have just one form of it, probably just inflation or otherwise a population-normalized land ownership tax. An alternative tax could be minor gas fees on a government-managed privacy-enabled gold-weighted crypto coin. Do you kn…

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Your beliefs are your own. Personally I would consider those beliefs to be a clown show for the most part with few exceptions.

GDP alone does nothing for the human condition. To me, productive actions are not those that increase GDP or the stock price, but those that improve the human condition. The rich have a moral obligation to fund activities that improve the human condition, preferably by themselves without governmental intervention. The alternative path is to destroy the planet with CO2, microplastics, and PFAS as we have been doing.

Tariffs are going to be a complete and utter failure due to the "first sale rule", and this rule is a just one that cannot go away either. Have you tried ordering anything from abroad lately? Odds are good that it will get stuck in Customs forever. Their system is utterly dysfunctional, more so than it was previously. Will Customs pay me interest on the cost for the time they hold my item? Why not?

If I take quality of life to be healthspan, meaning the length of a healthy life, then life expectancy absolutely drives it. The two are tightly interlinked. If instead you mean QoL to the size of your SUV, then it's true, it doesn't drive life expectancy.

Food is program too. In effect, you're not anti-program; you're just anti everything you don't understand or aren't even aware of.

Money doesn't solve problems for the vast majority of people who don't know how to use money to solve problems. It solves numerous problems for those who know how to use it intelligently. Pretty much the dumbest thing I have ever read on this site is money doesn't solve poverty. It solves that, and a lot more, including resolving trauma if ones knows how. It's true that most people waste their money, but the few that don't are the ones that matter.

It is not "entitled" to have certain expectations about the stability of the legal visa system. If one has been informed legally that action X will lead to result Y, then one purses the action. The feeling of entitlement comes in when one wants to bypass the action to get the result, like you do.

Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out

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Yes, but $40k of debt amortized over 20 years is not disabling. Plenty of jobs, even towards the lowest wages offered in most metros (which is $15+) can still allow for one to make progress. The point is going $160k in debt at a private or out of state school can disable you.

If you have 40k in debt and a $15 an hour job AND the expense of living in the a city you are well and truly fucked. Forgive me for using the first link off google but using this it says it would take approx 20 years paying $300 a month to pay off $40k. https://www.calculator.net/debt-payoff-calculator.html You will have to somehow live on the remaining $1700 you take home after taxes and loan payment in cities where…

If a person is earning $15/hour for 20 of their prime years with no upward movement, then they should never have borrowed money to go to school.

They also shouldn’t be in Manhattan or Seattle or any other tier 1 city, there are plenty of cheaper cities with cheaper suburbs that pay $15+ per hour. There is also the military if one wants college without spending the cash.

Re: Sorry, grads: Entry-level tech jobs are getting wiped out

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If you have 40k in debt and a $15 an hour job AND the expense of living in the a city you are well and truly fucked. Forgive me for using the first link off google but using this it says it would take approx 20 years paying $300 a month to pay off $40k. https://www.calculator.net/debt-payoff-calculator.html You will have to somehow live on the remaining $1700 you take home after taxes and loan payment in cities where…

If a person is earning $15/hour for 20 of their prime years with no upward movement, then they should never have borrowed money to go to school. They also shouldn’t be in Manhattan or Seattle or any other tier 1 city, there are plenty of cheaper cities with cheaper suburbs that pay $15+ per hour. There is also the military if one wants college without spending the cash.

A friend of mine got out of the military before we started working together. He is permanently partially disabled and most of the people he directly served with killed themselves because kicking down doors and shooting people is psychologically destructive.

Also present inductees will basically serve under a fascist dictator who wants to use the military to murder people.

That said the idea that poor people ought to move somewhere cheaper deserves attention.

1. Poor people who aren't literally homeless are the least mobile folks. They have difficulty moving in town because they can't come up with 3 months rent let alone money to move across the country and they are incredibly risk intolerant as they often can't afford for even one partner to be out of work for any length of time. Furthermore losing access to local resources might itself be calamitous. There is no replacing moms babysitting with paid for childcare.

2. Entanglements. People have connections, friendships, family, love interests. Without these people often fare worse.

3. Wages descend almost as fast as rent, job opportunities go down faster and most everything else stays about the same. Nobody invests 5000 and risks becoming a hobo in hopes of netting 150 a month in another minimim wage job in a shittier City.

4. Low wage jobs are in fact done by all sorts of people in all sorts of stages of their life and cities depend on those people to function. It's not clear how any tier one city should continue to function after all the people who should not be there leave

5. The idea hardly scales. People live where the jobs are now and those places are only cheaper now because they lack those economic opportunities.

The advice is not grounded in logic.

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