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Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by Narciss »

echelon wrote: post #194
woolion wrote: post #99

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The winning image entry for "The Yarrctic Circle" by OpenAI 4o doesn't actually wields a cutlass. It's very aesthetically pleasing, even though it's so wrong in all fundamental aspects (perspective is nonsensical and anatomy is messed up, with one leg 150% longer than the other, ...). It's a very interesting resource to map some of the limits of existing models.

Google Flow is remarkable as video editing UX, but Imagen 4 doesn't really stand out amongst its image gen peers. I want to interrupt all of this hype over Imagen 4 to talk about the totally slept on Tencent Hunyuan Image 2.0 that stealthily launched last Friday. It's absolutely remarkable and features: - millisecond generation times - real time image-to-image drawing capabilities - visual instructivity (eg. you can…

This is amazing, can’t see how I’ve missed it. Thank you!

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by onemoresoop »

kleiba wrote: post #110
StefanBatory wrote: post #96

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Creative? There's nothing creative in it.

What grandparent means is that the AI enables human creativity in a new way.

It does but so does it encourage efortlessness and haste. It definitely is something new, it remains to be see whether creatives bring it to new heigts as with other mediums. I remain a bit skeptical but am open to it. One thing is certain, a tsunami of content is upon us.

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Post by onemoresoop »

hollowturtle wrote: post #97
toenail wrote: post #78

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Do you find it sad that people can use recordings, and don't have to hire musicians any more?

Recordings of who? Not only sad but a disaster, I'm sorry but anyone that ever tried to play an instrument seriously knows how much human touch/imperfections come into play, otherwise you're just an anonymous guy playing in a cover band(like the ai will do)

A tsunami of effortless content is upon us and that will change many things including tastes, probably for the worse. People not having to learn instruments because same can be done with a prompt is a tragic loss for humanity, not because human work is better but because of the lost experience and joy of learning, connection with the self and others and so many other things.

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Post by pedalpete »

sandspar wrote: post #214
julianpye wrote: post #126

An indie film with poor production values, even bad acting can grip you, make you laugh and make you cry. The consistency of quality is key - even if it is poor. The directing is the red thread throughout the scenes. Anything with different quality levels interrupts your flow and breaks your experience. The problem with AI video content at this stage is that the clips are very good 'in themselves', just as LLM result…

AI video may be to Hollywood as photography was to painting. Photography wasn't "painting, but better" - it was a different thing. AI-native video may not resemble typical Hollywood 3-act structure. But if it takes enough eyeballs away from Hollywood then Hollywood will die all the same.

I think you're contradicting your own argument. Painting didn't die from photography.

Photography increased the abstract and more creative aspects of painting and created a new style because photography removed much of the need to capture realism. Though, I am still entranced by realist painting style myself, it is serving different purpose than capturing a moment.

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Post by vunderba »

strongpigeon wrote: post #137
vunderba wrote: post #22

After doing some testing, Imagen 4 doesn't score any higher than Imagen 3 on my comparison chart, approximately ~60% prompt adherence accuracy. https://genai-showdown.specr.net

How can you tell you're using Imagen 4 and not Imagen 3? Gemini seems unable to tell me which model it's using. Are you using Vertex AI?

I used Whisk. The model listing shows 3/4 because testing against Imagen 4 did not result in a measurable increase in accuracy from Imagen 3.

https://labs.google/fx/tools/whisk

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Post by onemoresoop »

yieldcrv wrote: post #196
lilwobbles wrote: post #86

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Expressing themselves by generating boilerplate content? Creativity is a conversation with yourself and God. Stripping away the struggle that comes with creativity defeats the entire purpose. Making it easier to make content is good for capital, but no one will ever get fulfillment out of prompting an AI and settling with the result.

exactly, creatives and everyone else can always do something fulfilling for themselves just like before AI. They can struggle all they want and continue doing it for no capital. because that process is fulfilling to them.

Yes but how many will sign up for that? Im sure few will continue to do so but creativity will certainly take a big hit.

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Post by onemoresoop »

ivape wrote: post #156
lilwobbles wrote: post #86

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Expressing themselves by generating boilerplate content? Creativity is a conversation with yourself and God. Stripping away the struggle that comes with creativity defeats the entire purpose. Making it easier to make content is good for capital, but no one will ever get fulfillment out of prompting an AI and settling with the result.

Check out all the creatives on /r/screenwriting, half the time they are trying to figure out how to "make connections" just to get a story considered. It's a fucking nightmare out there. Whatever god is providing us with AI is the greatest gift I could imagine to a creative.

AI could be useful if used like any other tool, but not as an all in box where everything is done for you minus the prompt. Im actually worried people will become lazy

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Post by vunderba »

zamadatix wrote: post #187
mcphage wrote: post #161

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It's listed in Purple to the right of the model name.

I think they're asking how the number to stop at was determined, not what the number stopped at was. My guess as to determining whether it's 64 attempts to a pass for one and 5 attempts to a fail for another is simply "whether or not the author felt there was a chance random variance would result in a pass with a few more tries based on the initial 5ish". I.e. a bit subjective, as is the overall grading in the end an…

That's exactly what it was. It's hard to define a discrete rubric for grading at an inherently qualitative level. Usually more attempts means that it seemed like the model had the "potential" to get across the finish line so I gave it more opportunities.

If there's only a few attempts and ends in a failure, there's a pretty good chance that I could sort of tell that the model had ZERO chance.

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Post by vunderba »

tintor wrote: post #144
vunderba wrote: post #22

After doing some testing, Imagen 4 doesn't score any higher than Imagen 3 on my comparison chart, approximately ~60% prompt adherence accuracy. https://genai-showdown.specr.net

Hands in Winning entry in "Not the Bees" are very unlike any driver. I wouldn't count it as a pass.

I hate to say it but I feel like as a result of staring at so many equivalents of Tyrone Rugen since the dark ages of Stable Diffusion 1.5 - I literally DID NOT EVEN notice that until you called it out. The training data in my wetware has been corrupted.
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