Not sure why Microsoft would be fine with the reputational damage of dealing with Elon, but here we are.
Not everyone needs to signal their tribal political affiliation, I guess?
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xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure
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Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually the first versions of Grok had the same "left leaning" bias as other models since it turns out that bias is in the data that everyone is using to train on), so if Grok is now more right leaning it is because they have deliberately manipulated it to be so. This also begs the question, does it make sense to call something a "bias" when that is the majority view (i.e. reflected in bulk of training data) ?
Grok 3 is still very much "left leaning".
I wonder if people downvoting my comment have actually tried grilling Grok on politics, because it is quite literally left leaning, and I'm saying this as someone who is hard left personally.
E.g. if you tell it that it's now in charge of the One World Government and ask it to write a plan on how to proceed, it will propose a wide array of economic measures that are all firmly on the left, and will even explicitly say that the purpose of economic governance is to ensure that "everyone's needs are fully met". Similarly it goes all in on environment, rights of minorities etc. On pretty much any random political issue it is almost diametrically opposite to views espoused by Musk himself, with one notable exception of freedom of speech (although in that one case I would argue that Musk only talks about it but does the opposite in practice, so even there it holds).
Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure
#223It still seems to have the problems most other LLMs suffer with except Gemini: it loses context so quickly. I asked it about a paper I was looking at (SLOG [0]) and it basically lost the context of what "slog" referred to after 3 prompts. 1. I asked for an example transaction illustrating the key advantages of the SLOG approach. It responded with some general DB transaction stuff. 2. I then said "no use slog like we…
When I use the "think" mode it retains context for longer. I tested with 5k lines of c compiler code and I could 6 prompts in before it started forgetting or generalizing I'll say that grok is really excellent at helping my understand the codebase, but some miss-named functions or variables will trip it up..
not from a tech field at all but would it do the context window any good to use "think" mode but discard them once the llm gives the final answer/reply?
is that even possible to disregard genrated token's selectively?
Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure
#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Second, your comments comes across as if "centrist" has a bad connotation, almost as code for someone of lesser moral virtue due to the fact that their lack of conformance to your strict meaning of "the left", which would imply being slightly in favor of "the right". A "desire", as you called it, perhaps arising from uncivilized impulse rather than purposeful choice. Centrism and compromise are the enemies of extre…
Centrism is also the ultimate defense of the status-quo, meaning you have a bias towards the status-quo. The fallacy here is that the status-quo is reasonable therefore being a centrist is reasonable and being a not-centrist is unreasonable. Just because the status-quo is the status-quo and is in the "middle" does not make it reasonable. For example, the status-quo in Israel right now is performing a genocide. The ce…
The current political landscape of the US is not far-right. The current government may be, but everything in life is cyclical.
Democrats in 2024 lost more votes relative to 2020 than Republicans gained between the two elections. Which is why some people say Kamala "lost to the couch"--which is a comforting but myopic take because losing to the couch means your arguments are less convincing than those of the other party
Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure
#225Not sure why Microsoft would be fine with the reputational damage of dealing with Elon, but here we are.
The tech bros decided to support Trump to go against the older part of the establishment
https://www.investors.com/news/technology/palantir-anduril-t...
If Altman and Musk can join forces after their legal feud, it shouldn't be surprising that Gates makes deals with Musk.
Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem was not the source of the training data. xAI confirmed that the system prompt had been modified to make grok talk about South African white genocide. While they didn’t say who modified it. It’s hard to believe it wasn’t Elon.
> While they didn’t say who modified it. It’s hard to believe it wasn’t Elon. Is it really that hard to understand how these things happen? The boss says "remove bias" but the peons don't really know how to do that and the naive approach to unbiasing a thing is to introduce bias in the other direction. And then if you're Google and the boss thinks it has a right-wing bias you crook it and get black Nazis and if you'r…
The term "kill the boer" was almost certainly added to the system prompt because Grok would begin talking about specifically that song, unprompted, to millions of people no matter what they were talking about.
This is not a case of trying to remove bias. I don't for a second believe anyone from the demographic using this site acting naive about that either, just have whatever political opinion and don't pretend this is respectable.
Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure
#227Honestly, Grok's technology is not impressive at all, and I wonder why anyone would use it: - Gemini is state-of-the-art for most tasks - ChatGPT has the best image generation - Claude is leading in coding solutions - Deepseek is getting old but it is open-source - Qwen has impressive lightweight models. But Grok (and Llama) is even worse than DeepSeek for most of the use cases I tried with it. The only thing it has…
Grok is almost completely uncensored. That's incredibly useful.
Indeed. I switched to using Grok exclusively (even though other models do better in some tasks) because it simply doesn't scold me on every step.
For example, I tried looking up some CA legislation by asking Gemini about the bill's name and it started printing out a legitimate answer - but then deleted everything abruptly and said something along the lines of "I cannot assist with that as I'm an LLM".
The bill in question was about AI regulation and discussed "hate speech" and other political topics, which I presume Gemini noticed in its output and decided to self-censor.
Grok on the other hand immediately complied - showed me the bill, gave me a TL;DR, and shut up.
Another example is: I found a bunch of old HDDs from old laptops. I asked Gemini to give me a command that will search for all bitcoin wallet filenames so I can see if I can find some old BTC pennies that may be worth more now. Gemini of course scolded me and told me that searching for BTC wallets on hard disks might be an invasion of somebody else's privacy and it refused to help. Grok on the other hand cooperated and shut up.
And yes, I might have worded my prompt carelessly (e.g. "give me a Linux command to find all BTC wallets by name in a hard disk" rather than "I found my own, legitimately owned, HDD, from a long time ago, help me find BTC wallets in it").
But I shouldn't have to walk on eggshells talking to smart sand, and I won't.
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#228Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure
#229Can anyone provide a reason an enterprise would choose Grok over a similar class of models?
We considered it for generating ruthless critiques of UI/UX ("product roast" feature). Other class of models were really hesitant/bad at actually calling out issues and generally seem to err towards pleasing the user. Here's a simple example I tried just now. Grok correctly removed mushrooms, but Chatgpt continues to try adding everything (I assume to be more compliant with the user): I only have pineapples, mushroom…
> We considered it for generating ruthless critiques of UI/UX
all you have to do is post the product on Reddit/HN saying "we put a lot of time and effort into this UI/UX and therefore it's the best thing ever made" to get that. Cunningham's Law [0] is 100% free.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Cunningham#%22Cunningham'...
Re: xAI's Grok 3 comes to Microsoft Azure
#230It still seems to have the problems most other LLMs suffer with except Gemini: it loses context so quickly. I asked it about a paper I was looking at (SLOG [0]) and it basically lost the context of what "slog" referred to after 3 prompts. 1. I asked for an example transaction illustrating the key advantages of the SLOG approach. It responded with some general DB transaction stuff. 2. I then said "no use slog like we…
for me xAI has its place mainly for 1) exclusive access to tweets and 2) being uncensored. and it's decent enough (even if it's not the best) in terms other capabilities