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Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Does anyone feel like the biggest selling point of LLMs so far is basically for programmers? Feels like most of the products that look like could generate revenue are for programmers. While you can see them as a productivity enhancing tool, in times of tight budgets, they can be useful to lay off more programmers because a single one is now way more productive than pre-LLM. I feel that LLMs will increase the barrier…

Shift feels real. LLMs don't replace devs, but they do compress the value curve. The top 10% get even more leverage, and the bottom 50% become harder to justify. What worries me isn't layoffs but that entry-level roles become rare, and juniors stop building real intuition because the LLM handles all the hard thinking. You get surface-level productivity but long-term skill rot.

> juniors stop building real intuition because the LLM handles all the hard thinking. You get surface-level productivity but long-term skill rot.

This was a real problem pre-LLM anyway. A popular article from 2012, How Developers Stop Learning[0], coined the term "expert beginner" for developers who displayed moderate competency at typical workflows, e.g. getting a feature to work, without a deeper understanding of lower levels, or a wider high-level view.

Ultimately most developers don't care, they want to collect a paycheck and go home. LLMs don't change this; the dev who randomly adds StackOverflow snippets to "fix" a crash without understanding the root cause was never going to gain a deeper understanding, the same way the dev who blindly copy&pastes from an LLM won't either.

[0] https://daedtech.com/how-developers-stop-learning-rise-of-th...

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Does anyone feel like the biggest selling point of LLMs so far is basically for programmers? Feels like most of the products that look like could generate revenue are for programmers. While you can see them as a productivity enhancing tool, in times of tight budgets, they can be useful to lay off more programmers because a single one is now way more productive than pre-LLM. I feel that LLMs will increase the barrier…

I have a hypothesis for this.

1. Developers are building these tools/applications because it's far faster and easier for them to build and iterate on something that they can use and provide feedback on directly without putting a marketer, designer, process engineer in the loop.

2. The level of 'finish' required to ship these kinds of tools to devs is lower. If you're shipping an early beta of something like 'Cursor for SEO Managers' the product would need to be much more user friendly. Look at all the hacking people are doing to make MCP servers and get them to work with Cursor. Non-technical folks aren't going to make that work.

So then, once there is a convergence on 'how' to build this kind of stuff for devs. There will be a huge amount of work to go and smooth out the UX and spread equivalents out across other industries. Claude releasing remote MCPs as 'integrations' in their web ui is the first step of this IMO.

When this wave crashes across the broader SaaS/FAANG world I could imagine more demand for devs again, but you're unlikely going to ever see anything like the early 2020s ever again.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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$200/month? Do people really get that much value from these tools? I use Github's Copilot for $10 and I'm somewhat happy for what I get... but paying 10x or 20x that just seems insane.

To rescue a flailing project that I took over when a senior hire ghosted a customer in the middle of a project, I got the 200$ Pro package from OpenAI (which is much less usable than Claude for our purposes; there were other benefits related to my client's relationship w/ OpenAI) In the end, I was able to rescue the code part, rebuilding a 3 month long 10 person project in 2 weeks, with another 2 weeks to implement a…

> That said, the previous failing effort also unearthed a ton of unspoken assumptions that I was able to leverage. Without providing those assumptions to the AI, I couldn't have produced the app they wanted. Extracting that information was like extracting teeth so I'm not sure if we would have really had a better situation if we started off with everyone having an OpenAPI Pro account.

The hardest part about enterprise backend development is understanding the requirements. "Understanding" is not about reading comprehension, and "requirements" are not the written requirements somebody gives you. It's about finding out what requirements are undocumented and which parts of the requirements document is misinformation. LLMs would just dutifully try to implement the written requirements with misinformation and missing edge cases, not the actual requirements.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Does anyone feel like the biggest selling point of LLMs so far is basically for programmers? Feels like most of the products that look like could generate revenue are for programmers. While you can see them as a productivity enhancing tool, in times of tight budgets, they can be useful to lay off more programmers because a single one is now way more productive than pre-LLM. I feel that LLMs will increase the barrier…

I've been using LLMs as learning tools rather than simply answer generators. LLMs can teach you a lot by guiding your thinking, not replacing it.

It's been valuable to engage with the suggestions and understand how they work—much like using a search engine, but more efficient and interactive.

LLMs have also been helpful in deepening my understanding of math topics. For example, I’ve been wanting to build intuition around linear algebra which for me is a slow process. By asking questions to LLM I find explanations make the underlying concepts more accessible.

For me it's about using these tools to learn more effectively.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Tangential, but I don't want to use LLMs for writing code because it's one of the things I enjoy the most in life, but it's feeling that I'm going to need to have to to get ready for the next years of my career. I've had some experiences with Claude that have seriously impressed me, but it takes away the fun that I've found in my jobs since I was in middle school writing small programs.

Does anyone have advice for maintaining this feeling but also going with the flow and using LLMs to be more productive (since it feels like it'll be required in the next few years at many jobs)? Do I just have to accept that work will become work and I'll have to get my fix through hobby projects?

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Does anyone feel like the biggest selling point of LLMs so far is basically for programmers? Feels like most of the products that look like could generate revenue are for programmers. While you can see them as a productivity enhancing tool, in times of tight budgets, they can be useful to lay off more programmers because a single one is now way more productive than pre-LLM. I feel that LLMs will increase the barrier…

I learned to program as a child in the 1960s (thanks Dad!) so I have some biases: Right now there seem to be two extremely valuable LLM use cases: 1. sidekick/assistant for software developers 2. a tool to let people rapidly explore new knowledge and new ideas; unlike an encyclopedia, being able to ask questions, suggest references and get summaries, etc. I suspect that the next $$$ valuable use case will be scientif…

The most valuable LLM use case right now is allowing people who don't know how to program to get their computer to do what they want it to do.

They might not be aware of this, they don't know how to use an IDE, but the hardest part - the code writing part, is solved.

Every week Rachel in [small company] accounting is manually scanning the same column in the same structured excel documents for amounts that don't align with the master amount for that week. She then creates another excel document to properly structure these findings. Then she fills out a report to submit it.

Rachel is a paragraph prompt away from not ever having to do that again, she just hasn't been given the right nudge yet.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Tangential, but I don't want to use LLMs for writing code because it's one of the things I enjoy the most in life, but it's feeling that I'm going to need to have to to get ready for the next years of my career. I've had some experiences with Claude that have seriously impressed me, but it takes away the fun that I've found in my jobs since I was in middle school writing small programs. Does anyone have advice for ma…

Have a side project where you control the entire experience and let your main job bend to the beast.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Does anyone feel like the biggest selling point of LLMs so far is basically for programmers? Feels like most of the products that look like could generate revenue are for programmers. While you can see them as a productivity enhancing tool, in times of tight budgets, they can be useful to lay off more programmers because a single one is now way more productive than pre-LLM. I feel that LLMs will increase the barrier…

Shift feels real. LLMs don't replace devs, but they do compress the value curve. The top 10% get even more leverage, and the bottom 50% become harder to justify. What worries me isn't layoffs but that entry-level roles become rare, and juniors stop building real intuition because the LLM handles all the hard thinking. You get surface-level productivity but long-term skill rot.

I think everything will shift more towards winner takes all.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Tangential, but I don't want to use LLMs for writing code because it's one of the things I enjoy the most in life, but it's feeling that I'm going to need to have to to get ready for the next years of my career. I've had some experiences with Claude that have seriously impressed me, but it takes away the fun that I've found in my jobs since I was in middle school writing small programs. Does anyone have advice for ma…

I think there will always be jobs out there that don't demand you write code with an LLM, just the same that most jobs don't demand you use vim or emacs or LSP-based autocomplete as part of your workflow.

You don't have to go with the flow. I took a step back from AI tech because a lot of startups in that field come with extra cultural baggage that doesn't sit well with me.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they're more productive. Your assumption is there is a fixed amount of engineering work to do so you need to hire fewer programmers, which is untrue. Every organization I worked at could have invested a lot more in engineering, be-it infrastructure, analytics, automation, etc. Even if there were a fixed amount of work to do and we're already near that max amount, salaries still wouldn't necessarily go down. Again…

In the real world experiment we're living through you're being proven wrong. Tech companies have been laying off engineers continuously for several years now and wages are down.

Layoffs started before the rise in llms and all the tooling around coding using llms. They were never used as a justification. What happened was musk bought Twitter, cut 80% headcount and it was still up which showed you can be leaner and other tech ceos took note. That and the stock crashed as we were post COVID bubble.
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