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On Not Carrying a Camera – Cultivating memories instead of snapshots

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When you get older, you realize how memories fade, how they disappear, and that’s when you wish you had taken more pictures. I am not talking about young folks shooting photos for the sake of getting likes. I am talking about precious moments, a picture here, a picture there. They will help trigger lost memories. For what is our identity if not a string of recollections we have?

As I've grown older, my main regret is not having spent time with people i wanted to. Photographs have never come up. Perhaps it's because I've always disliked it and looked down on people who killed moments by trying to immortalize them. The photos at best act as a trigger to remember but in a very limited way. And being a photographer i think really does alter your way of looking at things imo for the worse.

> And being a photographer i think really does alter your way of looking at things imo for the worse.

Curious why you believe this?

Personally, my experience of the world expanded significantly when I bought a camera in my early 30s.

It forced me to notice things I’d never noticed before. It trained me to open my awareness. It helped me see more beauty, experience more awe, and become more attuned to the environments I’m in.

I also have aphantasia - my mind’s eye is blind - and photography helps me remember things in a way I otherwise cannot.

Anything can be taken to the extreme and become a problem. But I couldn’t disagree more for the general case. Most of the photographers I’ve met since I started doing this have been wonderful people with perspectives that helped me broaden my own.

I’ve also met people who can’t put the camera down and tend to annoy the people around them. But this is a small subset.

Re: On Not Carrying a Camera – Cultivating memories instead of snapshots

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When you get older, you realize how memories fade, how they disappear, and that’s when you wish you had taken more pictures. I am not talking about young folks shooting photos for the sake of getting likes. I am talking about precious moments, a picture here, a picture there. They will help trigger lost memories. For what is our identity if not a string of recollections we have?

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My village people in the 1960's or 70's hated to be photographed. Heck, they hated even being called by their own name (instead of family name or by relation or by their title etc). Photography is kind of evil. It won't let people to fade away from memories. It's like a plastic that never decomposes. Not only that, it misrepresents people, because people don't remain in same pose, mood or appearance forever. It attaches the person to the photographed appearances more than it does to their un-photographed appearances.

There is nothing wrong in not being photographed and not living in the memories of other people. Even the Kings who were scared of being forgotten and got stone scriptures made with their names, were forgotten.

Despite any amount of persisted media recorded about you that never goes away, you would still be forgotten, as your media would be buried deep under other latest media that fully eats away the attention of the future people.

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There must be a balance. Recently I met some people that were constantly filming and taking pictures of everything. It was ridiculous IMO, for the same reasons OP mentions. This is not new. For me, it began with the rise of the smartphone. So I made it a point not to waste my time photographing things. 10 years later, I regret having essentially no pictures of anything. In particular, no "good" or "frameable" picture…

I use a film camera, which removes the possibility of infinite shots. It works for me! And since I must print the pictures, I make duplicates and share with friends and family. You can give it a try: there are very easy cameras!

for someone who wants to try that without investing in film camera and film development, there are small handheld printers that can print directly from a phone (and I guess a computer). It doesn't remove the possibility of infinite shots but it allows to focus on the shot you really want to keep and print

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That by using and/or carrying a camera you stop being present in the moment, and that it is somehow mutually exclusive with making memories, is somewhat of a mischaracterisation.

If you are serious about photography with existing light, the act of using the camera and even merely carrying it forces you to, for the lack of better description, see things as they are. It opens your eyes, quiets your chattering brain, stops you from ruminating. It prevents you from being annoyed at the small things and keeps you in the flow.

Once you realize that a particular combination of countless factors—weather, air quality, time of day, time of year, place, angle of view, human or other subjects (or, as I often prefer it, lack thereof)—can create a vanishingly rare, one of a kind image, you just can’t help being in the moment and seeing those things; and once you have got it (captured light and developed it), it can be there with you as an additional memory trigger for years to come.

Re: On Not Carrying a Camera – Cultivating memories instead of snapshots

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a friend who refuses to take pictures without people in them. It seemed dumb at first but after several years of pictures piling up I can see he had a pretty good point.

This is old advice, I remember it being framed as "if I wanted a picture of a monument I'd buy a postcard", and postcards basically no longer exist. It made some sense to take pictures of panoramas or art when you could show something to people that could not see it otherwise, but in this era it makes no sense (unless you enjoy photography as a hobby). A goofy picture of you kissing some old bronze statue? Dumb, but…

> and postcards basically no longer exist

You mean in the sense that no one sends/receives them? Because that might be true for the younger generation, but postcards are still available literally anywhere I've been in the world, and are still very easy to send, for those who enjoy that.

Re: On Not Carrying a Camera – Cultivating memories instead of snapshots

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That by using and/or carrying a camera you stop being present in the moment, and that it is somehow mutually exclusive with making memories, is somewhat of a mischaracterisation. If you are serious about photography with existing light, the act of using the camera and even merely carrying it forces you to, for the lack of better description, see things as they are. It opens your eyes, quiets your chattering brain, st…

> can create a vanishingly rare, one of a kind image

Early in my photography journey, I captured some photos of a stunning sunset. “WOW, this is what I’ve been missing” I thought to myself, and also thought I could capture similar photographs regularly.

It took me some time and experience to realize just how rare or unique many conditions actually are. I’ve gone back to the same spot for years and have never seen a sunset quite like that early one.

But photography did really clue me in to what I’d been missing. The subtle and continuous change that is always happening and is never not happening. It expanded my perspective and opened my awareness. Even when I’m not carrying a camera now, I see things I never would have noticed before.

Re: On Not Carrying a Camera – Cultivating memories instead of snapshots

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There must be a balance. Recently I met some people that were constantly filming and taking pictures of everything. It was ridiculous IMO, for the same reasons OP mentions. This is not new. For me, it began with the rise of the smartphone. So I made it a point not to waste my time photographing things. 10 years later, I regret having essentially no pictures of anything. In particular, no "good" or "frameable" picture…

> 10 years later, I regret having essentially no pictures of anything

Yes. I take lots of photos and even I regret not having more, or videos of the kids learning to walk or learning to talk.

Also: memories are fleeting, very fast. I've been keeping a journal for five years now; I try to describe my day the day after at the latest, but when I miss a day or two it's incredibly hard to remember anything--anything!!-- about what I did 48 hours ago.

Some moments stay with you for the rest of your life, but most of the things that you do disappear from your mind extremely fast.

You will absolutely remember the birth of your first kid, with many details and the sweet and sour smell of hospital corridors, camera or not; but not everything is like that (actually, nothing is like that!)

Now the counter-argument is maybe that what you don't remember didn't deserve to be remembered; but I don't agree with that. Memories is the only thing that's truly ours.

Re: On Not Carrying a Camera – Cultivating memories instead of snapshots

#229

When you get older, you realize how memories fade, how they disappear, and that’s when you wish you had taken more pictures. I am not talking about young folks shooting photos for the sake of getting likes. I am talking about precious moments, a picture here, a picture there. They will help trigger lost memories. For what is our identity if not a string of recollections we have?

It's quite nice to scroll through photos (to search for something, or not) and bring back some memories that were left in there but a bit forgotten.

Yes, they are "bit" forgotten now. They will be more forgotten later, and they will be completely forgotten a while later. Keeping them away from being forgotten shouldn't be the goal. Just enjoy the moment and move on with new moments.

Re: On Not Carrying a Camera – Cultivating memories instead of snapshots

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That by using and/or carrying a camera you stop being present in the moment, and that it is somehow mutually exclusive with making memories, is somewhat of a mischaracterisation. If you are serious about photography with existing light, the act of using the camera and even merely carrying it forces you to, for the lack of better description, see things as they are. It opens your eyes, quiets your chattering brain, st…

> can create a vanishingly rare, one of a kind image Early in my photography journey, I captured some photos of a stunning sunset. “WOW, this is what I’ve been missing” I thought to myself, and also thought I could capture similar photographs regularly. It took me some time and experience to realize just how rare or unique many conditions actually are. I’ve gone back to the same spot for years and have never seen a s…

It took me many years of carrying the camera to get close to what you describe and realize how even changes in air quality and humidity can create a very different view at different times. There are many factors that no post-processing can help, even if you have the finest raw from your sensor. Processing is important, I strongly believe, but only insofar as it amplifies the scene and your impression of it.

The days of carrying a camera coincided with lots of exploration and memories (and many good shots and bad), and the days when I could not be bothered tended to be moody and gloomy. I don’t think the causation is strictly one way or the other, but for people like me (and maybe yourself) when there is a right frame of mind then the camera at least contributes to a virtuous circle, if not acts as the source of it.

More recently, without a dedicated camera (which got stolen) I find it more difficult to snap into this appreciation of reality. Phone camera’s main issue is that it’s extremely slow when it comes to a changing real-life scene (I lost light many times while opening Halide and waiting for it to become operable), and that it is part of a distracting multi-purpose device in other regards.

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