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Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by bsenftner »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #91

The real potential of tools like Suno isn’t in cranking out radio-ready hits. It’s in creating music that doesn't have commercial incentives to exist. Case in point: Functional Music. I started using it to generate songs that reinforce emotional regulation strategies -things like grounding, breathwork, staying present. Not instructional tracks, which would be unbearable, but actual songs with lyrics that reflect actu…

Have you heard of "Conscious Rap"? It's the practice of creating rap music around the topics one wants to be educated, and then listening to it ambiently. That subgenre has many tendrils, as people with unrealized lyric talent make raps about politics, finance, how to maintain, and developing critical thinking skills and then in the Conscious Rap social media sharing sites their personal music takes off.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by nikkwong »

rglullis wrote: post #212
nikkwong wrote: post #189

The mood here is as notoriously cynical as I would expect from HN. Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. Let's all tell ourselves that music requires that 'special human touch' or audiences will become bored, unimpressed and uninterested. But I'll bet you anything, the average ear won't care. This music is already as good as what's produceable by humans, and will be available for a…

> the average ear won't care. (...) will be available for a fraction of the cost without the licensing fees. (...) be ready to see it popping up everywhere And you wonder why people are cynical? Do you really think that the best answer to solve IP law and the blandness of pop-music is by making it so cheap that we make it available to everyone? > But, there are massive use cases where that type emotional connection i…

> And you wonder why people are cynical? Do you really think that the best answer to solve IP law and the blandness of pop-music is by making it so cheap that we make it available to everyone?

Did I say I'm advocating for this future? I'm simply stating an observation, and a likely outcome based on plenty of precedent of similar behavior in industry.

> What will be the point of watching a movie or TV show, then? What will be the point of making one?

I'm sure Michael Bay would consider what he does to be artistic expression; whilst others would say it's a semi-shameless money-grab. Half joking, don't take me too seriously.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by nikkwong »

juliag2 wrote: post #211
nikkwong wrote: post #189

The mood here is as notoriously cynical as I would expect from HN. Yeah, let's all brush this tech off as unoriginal, uninspiring and bland. Let's all tell ourselves that music requires that 'special human touch' or audiences will become bored, unimpressed and uninterested. But I'll bet you anything, the average ear won't care. This music is already as good as what's produceable by humans, and will be available for a…

I tried AI music for the first time today and I can definitely see why people say it feels bland, because it does. But most of what's on the radio today feels bland to me too. You're right - I don't really care if the track playing in my favourite cafe is AI-generated or not. You're not supposed to be emotionally invested into background music, it's music for a simple purpose and for most people, AI can fill that pur…

Honestly, AI-created music in physical spaces has the potential to be even better than what currently exists. Imagine in real time being able to create a soundtrack that matches the mood and vibe of the current atmosphere. When the crowd is bustling, have the audio match that; tone it down when the night wears on, the people have disbursed. Sometimes you go into a Starbucks late at night in Tokyo and they're blasting Led Zeplin–that's probably not exactly what the audience wants to hear. There is potential, with a slightly dystopian tint to it.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by NexRebular »

nikkwong wrote: post #223
juliag2 wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried AI music for the first time today and I can definitely see why people say it feels bland, because it does. But most of what's on the radio today feels bland to me too. You're right - I don't really care if the track playing in my favourite cafe is AI-generated or not. You're not supposed to be emotionally invested into background music, it's music for a simple purpose and for most people, AI can fill that pur…

Honestly, AI-created music in physical spaces has the potential to be even better than what currently exists. Imagine in real time being able to create a soundtrack that matches the mood and vibe of the current atmosphere. When the crowd is bustling, have the audio match that; tone it down when the night wears on, the people have disbursed. Sometimes you go into a Starbucks late at night in Tokyo and they're blasting…

"At that moment, Iran said, when I had the TV sound off, I was in a 382 mood; I had just dialed it. So although I heard the emptiness intellectually, I didn’t feel it. My first reaction consisted of being grateful that we could afford a Penfield mood organ. But then I realized how unhealthy it was, sensing the absence of life, not just in this building but everywhere, and not reacting — do you see?"

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by zamadatix »

cryptonector wrote: post #182
arnaudsm wrote: post #20

The biggest impact Generative Music had on my life was for wedding skits. Families that wanted a funny song about the bride filled with anecdotes didn't need talent anymore. The first time I heard it, it was incredible. The 2nd wedding that did it, it started to feel boring. The 3rd time, everyone hated it. Similar to image-generation, we're getting tired really fast of cookie-cutter art. I don't know how to feel abo…

I've cousin who's a song writer who for a brief few hours was very excited with the silly poems she could get an AI to write, and she shared them with the family group. The first one or two were ok, but eventually several of us started pointing out how vacuous the poems seemed, and how sad that she -a great song writer in her own right- was excited about that generative AI crap. She stopped right quick. I'll say that…

You say "she stopped right quick" as if telling someone the things they are talking about are vacuous, sad, and crap is supposed to lead to anything else (comments rightly deserved or not). Even when such comments are tempered in delivery it's still no more than a comment saying you said you didn't like it so they stopped involving you in it.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by rglullis »

nikkwong wrote: post #222
rglullis wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the average ear won't care. (...) will be available for a fraction of the cost without the licensing fees. (...) be ready to see it popping up everywhere And you wonder why people are cynical? Do you really think that the best answer to solve IP law and the blandness of pop-music is by making it so cheap that we make it available to everyone? > But, there are massive use cases where that type emotional connection i…

> And you wonder why people are cynical? Do you really think that the best answer to solve IP law and the blandness of pop-music is by making it so cheap that we make it available to everyone? Did I say I'm advocating for this future? I'm simply stating an observation, and a likely outcome based on plenty of precedent of similar behavior in industry. > What will be the point of watching a movie or TV show, then? What…

If you are not advocating for this future and you think this type of material progress is not something that we should take as positive, then you are being as cynical as me or anyone else.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by isaacfrond »

Rochus wrote: post #165

Wow, this is just great. As a musician with computer science background (or vice versa) I'm just stunned. E.g. this track blew me away: https://suno.com/song/6478ac9a-00e9-4f7d-81bb-b0991001d236 . The drums and the sax solo are just great, sound like from the best musicians on the planet. It's fasctinating what comes out of this grab bag with each click. EDIT: don't understand why this statement is downvoted; since w…

That is some cool jazz

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by carefish »

Am I one of the few that strongly dislikes verbiage like 'Commercial use rights for songs made while subscribed' on their billing page, it feels and smells an awful lot like 'You'll own nothing and you'll be happy'. Also feels like another race to the bottom for yet another creative field. Not trying to dissuade usage of tools like this by others but it leaves a bad after taste.

Whilst it's not clear where the training data is coming from, how can I be sure that I won't accidentally trip up something like YouTube's Content Match tool or other companies whom act on behalf of a copyright holder? Or did I miss something?

Re: Suno v4.5

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Post by te_chris »

nikkwong wrote: post #223
juliag2 wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried AI music for the first time today and I can definitely see why people say it feels bland, because it does. But most of what's on the radio today feels bland to me too. You're right - I don't really care if the track playing in my favourite cafe is AI-generated or not. You're not supposed to be emotionally invested into background music, it's music for a simple purpose and for most people, AI can fill that pur…

Honestly, AI-created music in physical spaces has the potential to be even better than what currently exists. Imagine in real time being able to create a soundtrack that matches the mood and vibe of the current atmosphere. When the crowd is bustling, have the audio match that; tone it down when the night wears on, the people have disbursed. Sometimes you go into a Starbucks late at night in Tokyo and they're blasting…

Sounds awful. Truly. Living your whole life in the median. Led Zepplin late at night is exactly what I want to hear in a Starbucks in Tokyo becuse it's surpising, exciting. Get out more.
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