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Attacking My Landlord's Boiler

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Re: Attacking My Landlord's Boiler

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post #208

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We agree return temps should be lower, but to determine how critical this is you need to out numbers on that. In steady state operation at maximum load a difference in return temperatures of 15f is ~1% efficiency. But steady state at maximum load is an extreme situation the average return temperature is well below that theoretical maximum thus an even wider difference is needed for a seasonal difference of 1%. Redund…

As said, at some point you will likely replace your furnace by a heat pump. Then all investment to low temperatures will pay off. A modern gas furnace is no backup for a heat pump, as it also needs electricity. I would recommend a low tech solution like a wood stove for backup. I have one in my cellar. In case of a long power outage I would likely just install this through some open window and do some redneck stuff t…

Backup doesn't necessarily mean "in case of grid failure". A gas boiler or a simple electric boiler is a valid backup to a heat pump being inoperative, in the middle of defrost cycle, or otherwise just unable to provide enough BTU/hr into the building due to an extreme cold temperature.

Particularly in temperatures where the heat pump is at/under 2.0 COP for a few dozen hours per year, an electric boiler makes a great deal of sense. It's almost as clean as the heat pump in the extremely rare times when it's needed for supplementation due to extreme cold temps, can allow for a more suitably sized heat pump to cover the 99% of heating hours [meaning greater efficiency there], is extremely reliable due to its simplicity, is fully automatable with existing controls, doesn't require local gas supply network, and is a pretty good match for a heat pump.

Re: Attacking My Landlord's Boiler

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Depends where you are. Where I live it's no modification. If it's hard-wired the tenant can't touch it. Though in reality many landlords don't mind as long as you know what you're doing and return it to how it was. Just a problem if you get a jerk landlord.

Except how does the landlord know? Surprise inspections? And what are the penalties? This should all be spelled out in the lease contract.

Here a landlord can do an inspection with 48 hours notice. If you're out of town they are allowed access without you present. Also the landlord can end your tenancy with 90 days notice with no reason.

Penalties would depend on the adjudicator's opinion of the damages and risk.

Re: Attacking My Landlord's Boiler

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In the former Soviet Union we just have central heating The government maintains indoor temperature at 24 degrees from October to May, and the water is heated at the power stations.

Jesus that sounds miserable. Sleeping at 75F?!

You would regulate temp by opening the window.

Re: Attacking My Landlord's Boiler

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In the former Soviet Union we just have central heating The government maintains indoor temperature at 24 degrees from October to May, and the water is heated at the power stations.

And a €500 heating bill every month.

No, it was basically free.

Re: Attacking My Landlord's Boiler

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As said, at some point you will likely replace your furnace by a heat pump. Then all investment to low temperatures will pay off. A modern gas furnace is no backup for a heat pump, as it also needs electricity. I would recommend a low tech solution like a wood stove for backup. I have one in my cellar. In case of a long power outage I would likely just install this through some open window and do some redneck stuff t…

Backup doesn't necessarily mean "in case of grid failure". A gas boiler or a simple electric boiler is a valid backup to a heat pump being inoperative, in the middle of defrost cycle, or otherwise just unable to provide enough BTU/hr into the building due to an extreme cold temperature. Particularly in temperatures where the heat pump is at/under 2.0 COP for a few dozen hours per year, an electric boiler makes a grea…

Most heatpump do have an eletric boiler included. At least in Germany I can also plugin multiple 2kw electric heater, where one cost 15€.

Re: Attacking My Landlord's Boiler

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post #218

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As said, at some point you will likely replace your furnace by a heat pump. Then all investment to low temperatures will pay off. A modern gas furnace is no backup for a heat pump, as it also needs electricity. I would recommend a low tech solution like a wood stove for backup. I have one in my cellar. In case of a long power outage I would likely just install this through some open window and do some redneck stuff t…

Trusting in the power grid for both is obviously not redundant, but it’s cheaper to get independent power for a furnace than heat pumps. Actual redundancy means you want completely independent systems so you shouldn’t then use the same heat delivery loops/pumps/fans either. Wood stoves require you to physically be home and are kind of a pain to use thus make a poor backup on their own, though a solid 2nd backup. PS:…

I dont see the point in making an emergency option convienient. Forget solar thermal, this is to much hussle for anything. PV plus battery more likly the solution you want.

Re: Attacking My Landlord's Boiler

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post #159

I would probably just go about this by heating/cooling the thermostat itself rather than messing around with radio signals. Put a little box around it and something that could control the temp in the box, like a little peltier element. When you want the heat to run, cool the inside of the box. When you want it to stop, warm it up. Etc. But then I build thermal control devices for fun so maybe it just seems like a muc…

X-10 devices [0] that do this have been around for a long time. I've even seen elaborate setups that can be controlled via a landline. [0]: https://thex10shop.com/products/x10-powerhouse-th2807-thermo...

Neat.

Re: Attacking My Landlord's Boiler

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post #218

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Trusting in the power grid for both is obviously not redundant, but it’s cheaper to get independent power for a furnace than heat pumps. Actual redundancy means you want completely independent systems so you shouldn’t then use the same heat delivery loops/pumps/fans either. Wood stoves require you to physically be home and are kind of a pain to use thus make a poor backup on their own, though a solid 2nd backup. PS:…

I dont see the point in making an emergency option convienient. Forget solar thermal, this is to much hussle for anything. PV plus battery more likly the solution you want.

Less about convenient than being to go on vacation in the winter.

Work out the amount of solar + batteries you need in the winter when the power goes out and your COP is less than 2 because it’s very cold and you need more BTU’s than normal because it’s very cold. Solar thermal is just significantly cheaper on a large home in a cold climate.

Re: Attacking My Landlord's Boiler

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post #73

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This is a whole research topic, my PhD in fact! FWIW I run my heat pump intermittently and with locally-smart TRVs that get to call for heat centrally, and a weather compensation only flow temperature curve, and it WORKSFORME! https://www.earth.org.uk/heat-pump-16WW-control.html

Fascinating read. Certainly feels like I'd need PhD from it to successfully install, modify, calibrate and run the installation until its fully adjusted, for the peak comfort and minimum cost/dirty energy use.

I am putting my efforts into making that not be true, at least for something "close enough" to peak comfort/efficiency/whatevs for any nominal shortfall not to matter in real life.

The obsessives amongst us can continue to tweak if we wish...

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