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Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by therein »

chme wrote: post #158
therein wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also have a TrueNAS, but because of its limitations (read-only root file system) It isn't really the case. TrueNAS wants you to look at it as an appliance so they make it work that way out of the box. On the previous release, they had only commented out the apt repos but you could write to the root filesystem. On the latest release, they went a little further and did lock the root filesystem by default but using…

But AFAIK, updates will overwrite everything, so installing anything is just temporary.

I have both of these releases running side by side for multiple years by now. It will not auto-update between releases anyway similarly to how nobody would do a dist-upgrade on you automatically. Neither have ever overwritten my changes to enable rootfs rw + apt repo fix and other changes to the filesystem, no more than a normal Debian would. Enabling apt actually gets you a more up to date system than you'd get otherwise.

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Post by MortyWaves »

jjcob wrote: post #191
wetbaby wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which WD drives specifically were misleading customers? It's fine to have 'Synology supported drives' which guarantee compatability, but requiring them is absolute bollocks.

WD Red drives. They released a new version of their WD Red drive, and the only difference they stated in the specs was that it had more cache. So I thought, great, this is their updated model with more cache, it's going to be faster. After some time, people started to post about problems with the new WD Red drives. People had troubles restoring failed drives, I had a problem where I think the drives never stopped rew…

For future reference which WD drives are actually suitable for NAS? I remember someone saying you need to look for a specific more expensive type.

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Post by topspin »

m4r1k wrote: post #211

As a Synology user, I don’t just feel a huge letdown by such a short-sighted company but I’m compelled to boycott them. And it’s not about the money but the major lock-in and nonsense decisions. My DS1821+ is full, no more purchases from Synology, no further expansions, and no good publicity.

That's understandable. It's a genuine betrayal. Synology, QNAP, et al. exist as a response to the traditional storage vendor lock-in, gouging and rent seeking.

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Post by theden »

valunord wrote: post #198

Isn't this a simple solution?: https://github.com/007revad/Synology_HDD_db Some of us are using that with great success to eliminate the locking situation.

Also https://github.com/007revad/Synology_M2_volume for NVMe M.2 drives (some synology models only allow NVMe drives to be used as read/write caches without this script)

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Post by spease »

franga2000 wrote: post #185
jjcob wrote: post #183

There is one argument for Synology doing this: There have been cases where hard drive companies mislead their customers. I personally fell victim to this when Western Digital started selling SMR drives as WD Red, without labelling them as SMR drives. So lots of customers thought they were buying a drive that's perfect for NAS, only to discover that the drives were completely unsuitable and took days to restore, or fa…

That's a great argument for selling drives, not for locking your devices down to practically require them

> That's a great argument for selling drives, not for locking your devices down to practically require them

The counterargument is, people won’t listen and then blame Synology when their data is affected. At which point it may be too late for anything but attempting data recovery.

Sufficiently nontechnical users may blame the visible product (the NAS) even if the issue is some nuance to the parts choice made by a tech friend to keep it within their budget.

Synology is seen as the premium choice in the consumer NAS argument, so vertically integrating and charging a premium to guarantee “it just works” is not unprecedented.

There are definitely other NAS options as well, if someone is willing to take on more responsibility for understanding the tech.

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Post by Shank »

valunord wrote: post #198

Isn't this a simple solution?: https://github.com/007revad/Synology_HDD_db Some of us are using that with great success to eliminate the locking situation.

I personally think if you spend the money on a Synology setup and you depend on this script, you’re playing with fire. If you intend to keep DSM updated, you run the risk of Synology playing a cat-and-mouse game that doesn’t end well. Sure you can do this now, but forever? Who knows how long it will last.

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Post by asdswe »

I can hardly see the point for devices like this. If you are tech-savvy enough to host your own NAS locally, you might as well build your own NAS and install whatever user-friendly OS (Unraid, OpenMediaVault as an example) you wish. No vendor-lock in whatsoever that way. If you arent tech savvy enough, then you should probably use cloud storage anyway.

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Post by sersi »

kyrofa wrote: post #70

> When a drive fails, one of the key factors in data security is how fast an array can be rebuilt into a healthy status. Of course, Amazon is just one vendor, but they have the distribution to do same-day and early morning overnight parts to a large portion of the US. Even overnighting a drive that arrives by noon from another vendor would be slower to arrive than two of the four other options at Amazon. In a way thi…

My synology NAS is for my own use. I do not keep spare drives on hand, I would go to the nearby shop that's 20 minutes away from me to get a new drive. They wouldn't have synology branded drives but they have the toshiba MG series, Western Digital and Seagate.

Within my NAS, I have 2 different pool, 1 is for important data, it's 2 hard disk with SHR1 replicated to an offsite NAS. Another pool is for less important data (movies, etc), it's SHR1 with 5 hard disks, 75TB total capacity, none of the hard disks are the same batch or production date. Not having the data immediately is not a problem. Losing that data would suck but I'd rebuild so I'm fine not having a spare drive on hand.

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Post by cheschire »

brynx97 wrote: post #195
coolgoose wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it can't. Let's be honest Synology's OS is covering more than just storage, and no, spinning up a lot of 3'rd party docker containers that you need to maintain, secure and manage isn't as easy.

What can't TrueNAS do that was listed in the parent comment? I'd rather have the flexibility offered by TrueNAS, in addition to the robust community. Yes, Synology hardware is convienent in some use cases, but you can generally build yourself a more powerful and versatile home server with TrueNAS Scale. There is a learning curve, so it is not for everyone.

And for the learning curve folks there’s HexOS
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