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Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by udev4096 »

rappatic wrote: post #127

At least in the case of a music player, self-hosting simply isn't good enough for me. I'm not willing to accept a single second of added latency or buffering or downtime because I don't have multimillion dollar server farms. The fact is that the vast majority of us don't have the resources to self-host a Jellyfin instance that can provide near-instantaneous access anywhere in the world to every song ever made at 320k…

It's no-brainer for people who do not care about freedom or file preservation. Spotify can pull the plug on whatever your favorite song is and there is NOTHING you can do about it. Then again, spotify has hundreds of millions of clueless subscribers, such as yourself, who will willfully consume the most crappy audio codec and praise them for it

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by udev4096 »

etra0 wrote: post #72

I recently bought a mini pc too and gave the self-host shenanigans a roll. It was definitely worth it. Using traefik + tailscale + dns challenge with CloudFlare, I was able to self-host and make my services available only through the vpn without loosing HTTPS on all the subdomains. It's lovely!

This is partly self-hosting. You are relying on clownflare and tailscale for your services to be accessible. Do better

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by KeplerBoy »

johnsea wrote: post #167
pdntspa wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is an incredibly, and almost criminally, small portion of the pie

Better than nothing...

At this point you might just order a tshirt from an indie band once a year to help out artists more than with a Spotify subscription.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by elashri »

udev4096 wrote: post #222
etra0 wrote: post #72

I recently bought a mini pc too and gave the self-host shenanigans a roll. It was definitely worth it. Using traefik + tailscale + dns challenge with CloudFlare, I was able to self-host and make my services available only through the vpn without loosing HTTPS on all the subdomains. It's lovely!

This is partly self-hosting. You are relying on clownflare and tailscale for your services to be accessible. Do better

You can use lets encrypt with dns tests from wide variety of providers. Also you can selfhost the control server of tailscale (headscale).

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by sandreas »

I personally use Jellyfin ONLY for Video stuff.

AudioBookShelf[1] is for audiobooks and podcasts.

For music I use

  navidrome [2]
The smart playlist feature[5] is awesome. Having 3 services instead of one seems overkill, but specialized apps instead of one generic one feels different. One interesting aspect of navidrome is, that it has implemented the Subsonic API, which MANY Apps make use of. My personal favorite is

  Substreamer [3]
but you could also go with DSub[4] or others.

1: https://www.audiobookshelf.org/

2: https://www.navidrome.org/

3: https://substreamerapp.com/

4: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/github.daneren2005.dsub/

5: https://www.navidrome.org/docs/usage/smartplaylists/

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by morsch »

ninjinxo wrote: post #118
SECProto wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't forget the electricity cost come with home server. A quick math will show that it's not insignificant If you run it 24/7 on a dedicated desktop with decent idle (i.e. no high power video card, low power CPU), it likely uses ~ 50W average. That gives an estimate of 0.05kW 24hr 30 = 36kWh, which would be in the range of $12/month at current australian electricity prices. If you have bad idle power usage (or som…

An N100 minipc or second-hand Dell Optiplex doesn't cost too much more than a rasp-Pi ($100-200), has a lot more power, and will only pull about 10W idle. My optiplex shows as 8.191 kwh last month -> 11w average.

Is 10W idle the lowest one can reasonably get a small home server? As a comparison, that's about as much as my fridge draws on average. Also, a mechanism to maximize the time spent at idle would be useful. Basically all the optimisations done for phones.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by apwell23 »

tastysandwich wrote: post #141

For music, Navidrome is superior. It is just crazy how easy it is to set this stuff up nowadays. I run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers. Then I use NordVPN Meshnet to securely connect to them outside of the home. The experience is absolutely flawless. In Navidrome you can host an entire FLAC library and then transcode to Opus on the fly. It's been over a year now and I have pretty much no issues whats…

> run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers

> use NordVPN Meshnet to securely connect to them outside of the home

> host an entire FLAC library and then transcode to Opus on the fly.

i really have no idea what any of these words mean. Spotify's future is secure.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by friendzis »

armSixtyFour wrote: post #149
dankwizard wrote: post #95

This article fails to mention the absolute butchering of features that takes place moving from a typical music streaming subscription to a self hosted Jellyfin library. A large part of my listening on YouTube Music is going to a particular song or band I like and clicking "Radio", which generates a playlist of similar sounding songs. You can then fine tune it with a filter i.e "Popular songs, deep cuts" or specific e…

I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But now not so much. Spotify "Radio" feature just tends to want to give me music I've already listened to over new music. Whatever algorithm they are using has waaaay overfit to what I have already liked. There used to be curated playlists done by humans, now almost everything is "made for you by Spotify" playlists which, have the exact same issue as the radio stations, sudde…

> suddenly it's all the same music you've already been listening to, very little new music.

However, if you expose the gods of the algorithm to a new artist, suddenly all the auto-generated feeds will try to include that band regardless of fit. Weird how these "social graph" systems tend to form and perpetuate bubbles.

On top of that, there are some weird shenanigans with meta-data. Listening to "foreign" bands may very easily taint the weekly mix with songs in a language you don't even understand and probably don't care about. An anecdata of course, I just looked at my "daily mix x", which appears to be in my local language, but with styles all over the place. Another mix contains mostly correctly turn of the century romantic pop.

I suspect the algorithm biases heavily on metadata so that it could be easily fed "albums/artists that publisher x paid to promote".

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by KeplerBoy »

sailfast wrote: post #76
bhaney wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wish there was an easy way for this - plug and play kinda I can click a button in Lidarr to auth with Spotify and automatically search usenet for every album of every artist I follow on spotify, download them all, and make them available in Jellyfin. It'll even monitor the spotify account and import new additions. Getting the whole stack set up is pretty much the exact opposite of plug and play, but once you have…

Sure, but that’s piracy. Kinda like saying Winamp is alternative to Spotify. The music is kinda the most important thing.

That's the premise of this whole thread. Nobody is going to buy albums on itunes to self host them. The ergonomics and economics just don't work out.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by jszymborski »

dankwizard wrote: post #95

This article fails to mention the absolute butchering of features that takes place moving from a typical music streaming subscription to a self hosted Jellyfin library. A large part of my listening on YouTube Music is going to a particular song or band I like and clicking "Radio", which generates a playlist of similar sounding songs. You can then fine tune it with a filter i.e "Popular songs, deep cuts" or specific e…

Leaving music streaming services has been a great excuse for me to rediscover music blogs like Gorilla vs. Bear and Stereogum, or even local culture magazines.

Another great way for discovering music I've found is just perusing Bandcamp, which is where I buy most of my music anyway. Love finding local artists, so I just put in some genre filters and the location filter. Found multiple great bands this way.

As for keeping abreast of new releases, Bandcamp is pretty good for that too. You can just follow artists and you get emails when new releases or merch or tours come around.

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