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Re: The Steam Deck is software-freedom friendly

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Post by const_cast »

Adverblessly wrote: post #120
tossandthrow wrote: post #24

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My impression is that the general quality of games on steam is sub par the quality of, eg., Zelda. Even with a steam deck, I am probably going to get the Switch2, mostly because I can lower my head on in-game profiteering, which is increasingly prevalent on steam games.

> My impression is that the general quality of games on steam is sub par the quality of, eg., Zelda. My impression is that the general quality of games on the Switch (or Switch 2 or eShop) is sub par the quality of, e.g. Zelda. This is obviously because Zelda is a landmark title and it doesn't make sense to compare it with "the general quality" of games on Steam. It would make more sense to compare it with the qualit…

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Re: The Steam Deck is software-freedom friendly

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Post by const_cast »

kuhaku22 wrote: post #111
tossandthrow wrote: post #24

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My impression is that the general quality of games on steam is sub par the quality of, eg., Zelda. Even with a steam deck, I am probably going to get the Switch2, mostly because I can lower my head on in-game profiteering, which is increasingly prevalent on steam games.

Nintendo games have consistently disappointed me with their lack of depth in their stories. Breath of the Wild had an amazing open world, but the characters came off as two-dimensional and the final boss was completely disappointing. (there's something especially uncanny about having a protagonist who doesn't utter a word, even if it's meant to help players self-insert) Mario Odyssey was even more pitiful in how it r…

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Post by TehCorwiz »

vel0city wrote: post #199
TehCorwiz wrote: post #181

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I know that some portion of profits from the game, even on Steam, will go to them because they funded and published it. But after the exclusivity expires I'd expect Remedy Entertainment will probably have the standard 70/30 split with valve and whatever Epic see from that sale will be a smaller percentage. I love Remedy and how they practice their craft and art. Economic semantics aside, yes. I hate Epic so much I'll…

Paying them for their tactics aren't going to change their decisions, only reinforce them.

Well. It’s literally the only game on epic I’ve paid for. And I’ll be giving their competition equal dollars. So game theory wise it’s a wash. They haven’t earned me as a repeat customer and I do what I can to avoid them.

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Post by lupusreal »

SXX wrote: post #156
lupusreal wrote: post #149

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> Steam is a great low-pressure sales environment. Eh.. It seems very common for Steam users to have libraries of thousands of purchased games, 99% unplayed, purchased at steep discounts during sales. The way Steam operates does a great job of instilling Fear Of Missing Out, and getting people to buy things they never end up using.

It's not like this is Steam fault. You can always return games you played under 2 hours no questions asked. Some people just like to buy stuff they dont need or hoard random things, but it's as old as humanity itself At leastrented digital games on Steam account dont contribute to global warming, waste problems and dont use tons of electicity to mint some tokens. I guess only major issue Steam really have to solve is…

When I was a kid, this pattern of over-purchasing video games was very rare. When you had to go to the store and buy a game, it was very uncommon for people to buy a ton of games and then never get around to playing most of them. Even when the stores had discount bins, people would usually buy just a handful at a time and then play them until boredom (or frustration) before going back to the store. The one exception I can think of is when buying those CDs that came packed with dozens of old games from years ago, e.g. shovelware, when you hardly even knew what you were getting when you got the CD.

Also today, with gaming consoles, Nintendo's platforms, and similar, I don't think the pattern of buying lots of games and then never playing most of them happens very often.

What I'm saying is this pattern has something to do with the way Steam is structured, it's not an intrinsic property of game consumers which occurs with any kind of games store.

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Post by miki123211 »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #22

No company is your friend. But Valve does a great job at being consumer friendly. Steam is a great low-pressure sales environment. It provides features that make it more enjoyable for users to play, hang out, communicate, share content, mods. It doesn't harangue you or change your settings, or the UI, or your games (mostly) without reason and warning. Things work like you expect them to in other apps, back buttons wo…

Steam also did the legwork to adapt to other countries' cultures, means and payment systems.

They do regional pricing, including systems which make it difficult to pretend you live in a poor country, which you absolutely need if you want publishers to adopt that. They do local payment methods. They let kids (and kids and teenagers are an important part of this market) buy gift cards in physical stores, and pay for them with cash.

Mobile App Stores are a lot worse at all of these, especially Apple's.

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Post by galkk »

vel0city wrote: post #176
randmeerkat wrote: post #140

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> The Deck is so transformative that if Microsoft were serious about XBOX at all, the next XBOX would be a handheld. Or they’d realize that the Deck is successful because it’s open and bring Steam to the Xbox.

Far more likely they'll fully support GamePass/Xbox on SteamOS

You already can play xbox remote (that is part of game pass) on steam deck. Microsoft even published tutorial how to do it on their site: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/xbox-cloud-gaming-...

There are also apps that let you do it.

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Post by dezzadk »

bigyabai wrote: post #210
dezzadk wrote: post #200

> The Steam Deck is a great gaming system. This isn’t because of it’s great battery life. A Nintendo Switch would probably have better battery life. It’s not because of its great performance. I don’t usually play AAA games, so I wouldn’t know. First paragraph pretty much confirms my belief that some people who aren't hardcore gamers don't buy the Steamdeck to play games, they buy it because they are Steam/Valve fanbo…

> the gamer-stupidity seems to forget this and give all credit to Valve which is ignorant and disrespectful to the work Wine has put in over several decades You seem to be forgetting that Steam Machines existed back then, and Wine barely supported D3D9.dll in those days. Valve and Codeweavers did the majority of the work bringing up DXVK, without which there would be no DX11/DX12 game support on Linux at all. It's no…

>There's certainly cause to celebrate Wine's accomplishments reverse-engineering Win32. But it's far from the only thing required to get games running, and I think you've oversold it's importance.

Thats like saying you think I've oversold Chromium because Brave has done the heavy lifting (I bet you use Brave too, I sure don't nor ever will).. You sound incredibly confirming to the gamer-stupidity that revolves around the Steamdeck community.. You literally discredit Wine a decades old project to shine on a fork that is a few years old. You're exactly the type I'm talking about- get a grip.

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Post by tormeh »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #219
craftkiller wrote: post #68

I purchased a steam deck when they first came out specifically to financially support Valve's Linux efforts and I haven't regretted that purchase for a second. In the past year I had a couple of days where my laptop was not working. I got out my steam deck, plugged it into my dock, and got back to work like nothing happened (after installing some software of course, like emacs). I've re-purchased games that I own on…

You know this already but the reason nintendo doesnt release their games on other systems is so you have to buy the system. I bought a switch. I didnt think I'd buy a switch 2 but damn it if I didnt just see the new mario kart and think, "Maybe I should get a switch 2". I would never buy another nintendo device if they released their games on other system. So they likely never will. It's the same reason they will nev…

You also probably know this, but they don't really care about the console per se. What you buying the console means is that Nintendo gets to stand on the bridge between your console and game developers and demand 30% or whatever it is.

Also getting a Switch 2, if nothing else than for all the first-party Switch 1 games I haven't had legal access to.

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Post by ChoGGi »

lreeves wrote: post #144
candiddevmike wrote: post #143

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Valve should acquire Framework and have them do Steam Machine 2.0.

Please no, all due props to Valve but they really can't count to 3.

Tends to be a lot of Holy Grail fans at Valve one would surmise.
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