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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by criley2 »

iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

Both are a good thing? Even from folks in America who strongly dislike the fascist leadership, you'd be hard pressed to find folks who think "Europe should underfund their military and rely on the American tax payer for defense" or "Europe should be uncompetitive in technology and just buy American and Chinese solutions"

I don't understand why Europeans have to blame Trump for "spending a fair minimum on their own defense in the face of existential threats" or "investing domestically in technology".

These are things you always should have been doing.

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Post by energy123 »

mentalgear wrote: post #106
hyruo wrote: post #59

The United States promoted globalization, and the United States ended the process of globalization.

Globalisation in itself wouldn't be as bad, if the profits were equally distributed. But most often globalisation just means taking away worker and consumers protections so mega corporations can outsource manufacturing/labour/services to cheaper countries with low or no environmental / social protections. Before Globalisation of markets there must be a globalization of citizen rights to the highest standards.

The flawed premise here is that globalization has not already been a win-win endeavour, both for people in wealthy countries and people in poorer countries.

The evidence is overwhelming that it has been win-win, albeit with some negative side effects that need to be managed better.

We can always do better but that should not involve throwing the baby out with the bathwater based on a faulty understanding of where we currently are.

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Post by pjc50 »

lupusreal wrote: post #198
csomar wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hus forcing EU to invest in their own tech & military, thus becoming a competitor to the US products. Not sure how you made the jump here. EU is signalling increased military spending but there isn't really much talk about tech (beyond reddit-like enthusiasm which leads nowhere); which is funny because the top referrals for this site are .. american companies themselves. That being said, increased spending doesn't…

Europe has cutting edge domestic military tech in almost all relevant categories but don't build enough of it to matter because until recently their people and governments haven't taken defense seriously. Europe doing so now is good for America because it reduces the risk of Americans once again dying in yet another European war.

> risk of Americans once again dying in yet another European war.

How's the proposed Canada / Greenland wars fit into this? As well as ongoing support for the forever proxy war in the middle east between the US and Iran.

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Post by zwnow »

Yeul wrote: post #142
zwnow wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its always the farmers fault... Like it was in Germany back in the day. Keep people uneducated, dont support the poor and then act like you will solve these issues, its conservative 101

Seems to me America is a pretty shitty country to live in if you're not rich so I am not too mad that they protest vote for Trump. Ofcourse in Europe we learned that socialism improves the lives of the proletariat not national socialism.

So protest vote people that'll make your own situation 100x worse? This is logic that never checked out for me.

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Post by Maken »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #192
mentalgear wrote: post #3

It's one thing to visit the website, but I would be interested what % is actually migrating? For me personally, I had to install the "Go European" browser extension [1] before I actually started switching, due to more frequent reminders, from using mostly chatGPT/claude to LeChat by mistral (which feels at least as good). My Take-away: User stickiness is hard to break due to providers' walled gardens, even for me who…

For privacy reasons, I've already started slowly switching away from US providers before all this insanity happened. I've switched my Email to Proton (Swiss), cloud files to Filen (German), most LLM usage to Mistral (French), and search to Ecosia (German). [Edit: I've now switched to Mojeek; see comments below.] But in the past two weeks, I've done the things I've previously put off because they require real work. I'…

Why Proton mail? I'm currently looking to switch away from GMail but I lack good/bad references about the different EU providers.

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Post by adamcharnock »

We're[1] seeing a huge influx of new clients right now, and not just any clients, but excited and enthusiastic ones. These are from EU, UK, Canada, SE Asia, Australia. Typically they are growing startups or SMEs who are no longer see investing further in AWS/GCloud/Azure as a good idea. It isn't solely because of politics, but politics is generally the catalyst.

Honestly, it's pretty exciting.

[1] EU Infrastructure with DevOps included - https://lithus.eu

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Post by rvba »

pjmlp wrote: post #105
morsch wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coca-Cola completely dominates retail in Germany. The most recent numbers I could find[1] are from 2018, but I have no reason to believe the situation, you know, flipped on its head -- the top 3 lemonades were Coke, Coke Zero and Coke light, making up about 75% of the market. In 2022[2] Fritz had 2.9% market share. Maybe the market share is higher in restaurants, though I'd be shocked if it Fritz was even at 25%. [1]…

Thanks for the overview, naturally tarifs might change that, see Canada, no US products any longer on big chains.

Coca cola is bottled locally. It does not make any sense to move water, sugar, nor the syroup.

Probably they move a bit of their secret sauce, but rest is probably sourced locally.

So impact of tariffs on coke in Germany is mininal.

During WW2 german bottlers missed some ingredients so they've started making Fanta.

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Post by Mossy9 »

brettermeier wrote: post #175
apexalpha wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a looooong way to go. Even this cluster is just one product we consume from AWS. And don't get me started on O365... But the fact that there's money available for this is a big shift.

Oh yeah, replacing AWS may be easier than replacing O365... or otherway around? My company also went all in for O365. It's about replacing Mail, Teams, Teamwebsites, OneNotes and for sure so much more... We also ship our patches via Teamwebsite, it sounds stupid but well, it works... And talking to costumers when they still have Teams but your company ditched it, how would that work and so on... You have to have a lo…

My wish for this christmas is for some large-ish organization to pull this off and then release a series of blogs discussing the tradeoffs. It's such a steep hill to climb, I think many believe it impossible unless there is a success story to refer to

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Post by mixermachine »

pjmlp wrote: post #105
morsch wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coca-Cola completely dominates retail in Germany. The most recent numbers I could find[1] are from 2018, but I have no reason to believe the situation, you know, flipped on its head -- the top 3 lemonades were Coke, Coke Zero and Coke light, making up about 75% of the market. In 2022[2] Fritz had 2.9% market share. Maybe the market share is higher in restaurants, though I'd be shocked if it Fritz was even at 25%. [1]…

Thanks for the overview, naturally tarifs might change that, see Canada, no US products any longer on big chains.

Coca-Cola is mostly produced locally. Atleast the mixing of Sirup and bottling is.

I personally don't know if they ship their sirup around the world.

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