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Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Is this a parody? > Beyond problems at the border, the current Secretary for Health and Human Services - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - has said that he will send those with ADHD to camps. Source: Futurism. What he actually said: > "I’m going to dedicate that revenue to creating wellness farms — drug rehabilitation farms, in rural areas all over this country," he said during the podcast. "I’m going to make it so people can…

Yes and some of the links to the “traumatizing” deportations are for people who are clearly in violation of their visas. I had a friend deported from Denmark when he overstayed his visa and it was basically the same thing. Some of these look really bad and could be sensible justification for the proposed boycott/cancellation (see French scientist eg) but a lot of it looks completely hysterical.

All of those things look like they’re about being detained for several weeks when trying to enter the US? Why wouldn’t they just refuse you entry instead?

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This website mixes some very real and very big problems (erosion of basic freedoms and rights in the US) with some entirely hallucinated ones (concentration camps for people with ADHD, and torture ? I'd certainly want to learn more about that than a passing mention). Personally I think the hyperbole only serves to cheapen the real problems.

European here, no one should take that website seriously. It’s full of incoherent ramblings.

Im a bit disappointed in HN for ranking it so high. Time to take a look at the bot detection algo?

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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And since many US airports do not have facilities for 'sterile transfers', people will require a US C1 Transit Visa to travel connecting through US.

Are they hard to get? I’d expect transferring through the US to be significantly easier than travelling into the US for a conference.

They require issuance of paper visas and an in-person interview. It's _easier_ than B1/B2 visas; but in the overall scheme of things not _that_ much easier.

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People are still killed for being different, they just aren’t called witches. >But I'll never insult someone for trying, no matter the method. No matter the method is a bad take, that’s how we got gruesome people doing gruesome experiments on people who need treatment. And the camp thing is pretty old and they always end the same: abuse of power.

> No matter the method is a bad take Perhaps, but I have family going through this and it just makes you so mad. I'd pay to send him to a camp where he's beat with a bullwhip every day if I knew it could cure him. Perhaps it clouds my judgment a bit, but the alternative is just watching him die, which I'm not stoked about.

People use drugs in prisons, so I doubt the wellness farms are gonna be able to keep drugs out, much less help people.

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If you talk to a parent of a child who OD'd, most commonly of fent these days, they all have this thought. What if I took them somewhere remote where there are no drugs and didn't let them leave? My heart hurts for them, but I have no idea if it's a good idea or not. Regardless, I think his heart is in the right place. Time will tell whether or not it's actually useful.

Not just parents. Its a method that actual addicts employ. I have heard this not only once. "Moved a few months to a rural place where I had no access to the stuff to get my system clean" is a tactic that people turn to. Heck, one example I am thinking of even moved from the USA to Europe in the 90s to get rid of his crack addiction.

1) its not a camp with a bunch of other addicts, who would most certainly procure the stuff and make it available

2) its entirely voluntary and non-coerced

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There is no mention of regular killing of foreigners. The only mention of murder is from 1990... In contrast the number of crime involving foreigners has risen 13% in 2023 to 34% of all crimes. https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLageb...

I did not claim the article contained that information, I specifically claimed it did not. It is an example for non-deadly violence that indeed does occur regularly there. https://www.bpb.de/themen/rechtsextremismus/dossier-rechtsex... is a source for the murders and also describes why the statistics are hard to gather.

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Yeah, this is a question that has been discussed for many years but since so many good conferences happen in the US and that Europeans rarely had to suffer this treatment in the past people have been lazy and allowed this to happen since they were not personally affected. Now that all of the world is affected it is easier to get momentum for action on this.

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Reminds me of [1] from 2013, and [2][3] from 2017. This is not new at all, just affecting more people, and more importantly, more Western people now. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/oct/05/us-scientist... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14643467 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24369233 Clarification: the “not new” part is foreign attendees not being able to attend conferences in the U.S…

Being detained is way worse than being denied entry.

> I was then placed in a real jail unit: two levels of cells surrounding a common area, just like in the movies. I was put in a tiny cell alone with a bunk bed and a toilet.

> The best part: there were blankets. After three days without one, I wrapped myself in mine and finally felt some comfort.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det...

How is this not "new at all"? I just don't understand why some people are so blind to the ongoing abuse of power. What a shame!

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