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London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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slang for "of course"

Natch, I feared as much. I've been seeing it more and more lately. I've found it's hard for me to look at. I'd say more but I'm already wasting words.

It's quite old, I'm surprised you're only seeing it now

Insert that xkcd comic

Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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It's not the first time a major airport is down because of power failure, and other airports are working to address this type of vulnerability. > The power vulnerability for airports was never made more obvious and painful than in Atlanta seven years ago. An underground electrical system fire in late 2017 damaged two substations and caused a complete outage lasting nearly 12 hours at Hartsfield-Jackson International…

Heathrow's power outage is much worse than Atlanta's, this is really bad. Allow me to make my point: 1. UK’s has one major airport to get out of the country—Heathrow. Gatwick and that lot don’t carry the same weight. When Heathrow goes down, you’re proper stuck. Atlanta has DC, Miami right there. 2. UK allows transit visas, so half the people transiting can’t even step out the terminal, what do they do when the airpo…

> UK’s has one major airport to get out of the country—Heathrow.

I’ve been using Edinburgh airport and Glasgow airport for 40 years to “get out of the country”.

Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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Haven't they seen Die Hard 2?! /s Grid power is hard. Even with local generation failovers for air and ground safety systems, Heathrow is massive and uses a lot of power (1-2MWh/day). It's hard to route around that sort of demand. I don't disagree that this is something that shouldn't happen, but that's what we say for almost every preventable grid failure. I think this is a national inconvenience rather than a secur…

> Heathrow is massive and uses a lot of power (1-2MWh/day) It's 3 orders of magnitude more: 1-2GWh/day. https://www.heathrow.com/content/dam/heathrow/web/common/doc...

While we're doing wacky units for energy instead of the joule, I'd personally prefer roughly 360 DeLorean's per day (assuming the 1.21 gigawatts are required for roughly 10 seconds)

Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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The fact this substation exists, yes, obviously. The fact taking it out takes out the entire airport: not so much! These kind of things usually aren’t dependent on a single substation. The fact that it is, is not something the UK government would have liked to be made public.

> The fact taking it out takes out the entire airport: not so much! These kind of things usually aren’t dependent on a single substation. Let me re-phrase that for you: It only took down the airport because the airport clearly did insufficient capacity planning in terms of backup mechanisms. How can I be so confident ? Because that exact same substation serves a number of large datacentres in the vicinity. Due to the…

Sure, no argument there, but the fact is there was a weakness there and a weakness that would be considered a threat to national security if it were to get out - before today

Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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post #190

An Helicopter, has been running multiple 360 degrees rounds, around the whole perimeter of Heathrow for the last two hours or three hours. I wonder if they are looking for something or somebody and there is more to this story. (click on the helicopter icon to see previous runs): https://www.flightradar24.com/GINTV/3990e5fc

If it was a police helicopter you wouldn't see it on flightradar24.

Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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post #189

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Heathrow's power outage is much worse than Atlanta's, this is really bad. Allow me to make my point: 1. UK’s has one major airport to get out of the country—Heathrow. Gatwick and that lot don’t carry the same weight. When Heathrow goes down, you’re proper stuck. Atlanta has DC, Miami right there. 2. UK allows transit visas, so half the people transiting can’t even step out the terminal, what do they do when the airpo…

> When Heathrow goes down, you’re proper stuck. Atlanta has DC, Miami right there "right there" It is a ten hour drive from Atlanta to DC. It is a nine hour drive from Atlanta to Miami. It is a six hour drive from Heathrow to Paris.

It's still "right there" overall, you can take a local flight that takes one hour.

Most importantly, you're in the same country whereas in the case of LHR closing the number of airports able to handle widebody long haulers...are essentially all in countries with different customs and visas.

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Why would it be a national security issue? Military airports are working fine. National security doesn't rely on civilian airports. And communications networks aren't disrupted or anything. This isn't enabling terrorism. It's absolutely a huge economic issue. Economic-political. But I'm not seeing a national security angle here.

" [...] national security is widely understood to include also non-military dimensions, such as the security from terrorism, minimization of crime, economic security, energy security, environmental security, food security, and cyber-security. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security Large-scale issues that impact the economy are typically under the "national security" umbrella. It's a term that uses the broa…

I am not sure I am enthusiastic with the slow march toward 'national security issue' being synonymous with 'me personally being spooked by something'.

Re: London's Heathrow Airport announces complete shutdown due to power outage

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The UK is very good at sabotaging itself in order to enrich corporations/shareholders/politicians/oligarchs. No foreign influence necessary.

For Brexit - facebook and cambridge analytica got fined.... that is not UK sabotaging itself. US tools are very successful in UK because UK uses same freaking language as US does.

I wasn't talking about that at all - I was talking about bending over backwards when it comes to corporations or any kind of moneyed interests. We've pissed away shit tons of public money into shareholder pockets and all we've got left is insolvent infrastructure companies (whether it's water or sewage or transport) we now have to bail out with even more public money.

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> When Heathrow goes down, you’re proper stuck. Atlanta has DC, Miami right there "right there" It is a ten hour drive from Atlanta to DC. It is a nine hour drive from Atlanta to Miami. It is a six hour drive from Heathrow to Paris.

It's still "right there" overall, you can take a local flight that takes one hour. Most importantly, you're in the same country whereas in the case of LHR closing the number of airports able to handle widebody long haulers...are essentially all in countries with different customs and visas.

At least Ireland and the UK are in one visa regime, outside of Schengen. And because there are plenty of flights between Ireland and Schengen countries, all commercial Irish airports should have passport control.

But Dublin airport has about 1/2 the gates of Heathrow...

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