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Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by Ferret7446 »

UncleEntity wrote: post #19
g42gregory wrote: post #2

My thought is that this is not going to last. Law enforcement is completely different from a year ago, when they "couldn't find" who was ransacking Apple retail stores. There are many lawful forms of expressing your views.

Law enforcement, comprised completely of government workers , is going to go out and find the people protesting against killing off their golden goose? I think it's more likely they'll start enforcing jaywalking laws against children playing hockey in the street. Now, I'm not saying anyone should vandalize someone else's car for political reasons but as a campaign to dissuade people from buying Teslas this seems to b…

Law enforcement, comprised of local workers, are accountable to their local citizens.

I don't think they have any particular beef against cutting federal workers.

> as a campaign to dissuade people from buying Teslas this seems to be quite effective.

Terrorism is generally effective. That's kind of the point, to effect change through violence. Although hopefully, that effect doesn't escalate to enforcement of real ID on the Web to deal with all of the people promoting terrorism on social media platforms.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by Ferret7446 »

lovich wrote: post #53
assimpleaspossi wrote: post #45

The Tesla, last I read about and test drove one, is a great car. Why tear at a company that makes a great car over anyone's political preferences? The phrase "shooting oneself in the foot" comes to mind. It makes no sense whatsoever.

>Why tear at a company that makes a great car over anyone's political preferences? With how our society is set up, you are suggesting not holding any political viewpoints or preferences. I had a whole diatribe typed up that I deleted because I realized I cannot actually empathize or have a theory of mind for how you could think this was an acceptable way to live life. Do you silo every interaction you have with every…

This used to be normal.

I guess the new normal (building your identity around politics) is either the cause of or correlated with the general rise in mental illness in our modern society.

Yes, not talking or caring about politics within various social silos is (used to be) normal.

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Post by thiht »

milesrout wrote: post #220
thiht wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s called a nazi because he does nazi signs, endorses the German far right party (not a literal nazi party in itself but endorsed by neo-nazis), keep getting closer and closer to say Hitler did nothing (apparently Hitler didn’t murder millions of people himself so no responsibility according to him). If Hitler was a candidate today, Elon would endorse him, period. He could tattoo a svastika on his forehead and peop…

He didn't do a Nazi sign, he waved. He didn't endorse a "far right" Nazi party unless you're saying a quarter of the German population are secretly Nazis? They're right wing but they're not "far right". He didn't say Hitler did nothing or that he wasn't responsible for the Holocaust. He made the very good point that one man can't do that amount of damage alone, and it relied on the power of a centralised state with e…

YOUR view is warped if you think that was a wave and not a nazi sign. Watch it again and do it in a public place exactly as he did (no "I’m giving my heart" bullshit) if you sincerely believe it was just a wave.

This is so fucking unambiguously a nazi sign, it’s infuriating seeing people like you saying it’s just a wave. Damn, people suck

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Post by milesrout »

thiht wrote: post #223
milesrout wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn't do a Nazi sign, he waved. He didn't endorse a "far right" Nazi party unless you're saying a quarter of the German population are secretly Nazis? They're right wing but they're not "far right". He didn't say Hitler did nothing or that he wasn't responsible for the Holocaust. He made the very good point that one man can't do that amount of damage alone, and it relied on the power of a centralised state with e…

YOUR view is warped if you think that was a wave and not a nazi sign. Watch it again and do it in a public place exactly as he did (no "I’m giving my heart" bullshit) if you sincerely believe it was just a wave. This is so fucking unambiguously a nazi sign, it’s infuriating seeing people like you saying it’s just a wave. Damn, people suck

But he did say he is giving his heart. You can't divorce that from what he did.

It literally looks NOTHING like a Nazi salute from any angle. This is such an obvious example of psychological priming.

I have waved plenty of times and nobody thinks it was a Nazi salute.

You are being taken in by propaganda.

Re: Tesla Hate Is Making Insurance More Expensive for Owners

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Post by thiht »

milesrout wrote: post #224
thiht wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YOUR view is warped if you think that was a wave and not a nazi sign. Watch it again and do it in a public place exactly as he did (no "I’m giving my heart" bullshit) if you sincerely believe it was just a wave. This is so fucking unambiguously a nazi sign, it’s infuriating seeing people like you saying it’s just a wave. Damn, people suck

But he did say he is giving his heart. You can't divorce that from what he did. It literally looks NOTHING like a Nazi salute from any angle. This is such an obvious example of psychological priming. I have waved plenty of times and nobody thinks it was a Nazi salute. You are being taken in by propaganda.

Oh you can salute in public, that’s not the question. Can you do the salute Elon did, in public? Stretched arm, palm down, no wave.

> It literally looks NOTHING like a Nazi salute from any angle

I don’t know what to say to someone like you who’s talking in extremely bad faith. Finding excuses is one thing, saying it doesn’t even look like a nazi salute is straight up lying. I can’t engage anymore with straight lies.

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Post by gainda »

milesrout wrote: post #220
thiht wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s called a nazi because he does nazi signs, endorses the German far right party (not a literal nazi party in itself but endorsed by neo-nazis), keep getting closer and closer to say Hitler did nothing (apparently Hitler didn’t murder millions of people himself so no responsibility according to him). If Hitler was a candidate today, Elon would endorse him, period. He could tattoo a svastika on his forehead and peop…

He didn't do a Nazi sign, he waved. He didn't endorse a "far right" Nazi party unless you're saying a quarter of the German population are secretly Nazis? They're right wing but they're not "far right". He didn't say Hitler did nothing or that he wasn't responsible for the Holocaust. He made the very good point that one man can't do that amount of damage alone, and it relied on the power of a centralised state with e…

>He didn't endorse a "far right" Nazi party

Thiht said:

>German far right party (not a literal nazi party in itself but endorsed by neo-nazis)

Don't twist words. Not to mention their political alignment isn't up for debate or judge-y quotations.

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Post by gainda »

milesrout wrote: post #224
thiht wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YOUR view is warped if you think that was a wave and not a nazi sign. Watch it again and do it in a public place exactly as he did (no "I’m giving my heart" bullshit) if you sincerely believe it was just a wave. This is so fucking unambiguously a nazi sign, it’s infuriating seeing people like you saying it’s just a wave. Damn, people suck

But he did say he is giving his heart. You can't divorce that from what he did. It literally looks NOTHING like a Nazi salute from any angle. This is such an obvious example of psychological priming. I have waved plenty of times and nobody thinks it was a Nazi salute. You are being taken in by propaganda.

He didn't even use that phrase in the typical context which makes it look like a flimsy cover to muddy what this really is. You say that to express sympathy or sorrow. Maybe he was pre-apologizing for the sheer madness we are in now.

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Post by saturn8601 »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #188
saturn8601 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Build quality is so bad, those old cars will destroy themselves. Wonder how many of the original 2018 model 3 are still on the road. The other day I saw a comment chastising a person complaining about their 120k Model 3 battery failing and how its already at end of life. I was gobsmacked. I also see reports of some Tesla making it to 500k miles. Honestly there is so much nonsense on both sides and you can't even trus…

You probably wanna read up on recent Toyota fiasco (100k engines recalled because they are self destroying).

Listen every company will make mistakes at some point in their life. Toyota has earned so much of a reputation of quality over many decades that it has become a meme and is reflected in resale values and insurance rates. Tesla continues to produce sub standard quality and thanks to their actions they have burned their reputation with everyone other than their shareholders so they don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore. How many times are they going to promise this or that and say that they have fixed their quality only to find out they have lied yet again?

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Post by Marsymars »

gs17 wrote: post #83
back7co wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at places like Reddit where the organizing is happening, they don't differentiate between left-leaning buyers of years past, and in fact call them out for being complicit by not selling their (paid for?) car. It's scorched earth and is not limited to new buyers.

> by not selling their (paid for?) car. It's even more confusing, who are they supposed to sell it to, if no one should drive these cars (and how big of a loss are they expected to take in order to sell it)?

If a foreign government that the US was acting hostile towards was so inclined, they could highly tariff Tesla sales/service and offer buy-outs to make existing owners whole where they simply crush and recycle the cars to deny Tesla any service revenue.
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