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Moving away from US cloud services

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Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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I don't know if it migrates CI pipelines as well (which is apparently what prevents the OP from leaving github), but Codeberg has a migration tool to automate the switch from Github (and others) to Codeberg. https://docs.codeberg.org/advanced/migrating-repos/

Codeberg looks really nice, almost a copy of github, and is hosted in Germany while you can also self-host.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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I would like to see a movement more along the lines of "Moving away from cloud services", not just US services. Our computers are faster than ever, internet bandwidth is not a problem, public IPs affordable. Why not self host when possible?

Yeah the pricing for memory in most cloud instances is so atrocious that you pay enough to buy a whole DDR5 stick in a few months already. Or an entire ARM SBC that will outperform that stingy offer in every way.

Cloud also has networked SSDs so they can keep the machines and partitions separate, which really limits their speed and throughput and increases latency. Nothing beats a PCIe attached NVMe.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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> Wrapping up - Migrating away from US cloud services was easier than I expected. This is absolutely not the main takeaway and I find it difficult to see how he could write this - there are gaping holes. Git repos (it's too difficult). NPM (ditto). Startpage uses Google's index. The only meaningful switch he mentions is Proton, but as other comments have pointed out they have vendor lock-in problems. The real takeawa…

> Git repos (it's too difficult) Sourcehut > Startpage uses Google's index. If they have enough users/make enough money, they'll make their own. Ecosia and Qwant (both european search engines) are working together to make their own index. In any case, even if a european is a proxy for an american service, you need to prove that there is a market for an european equivalent for change to happen.

> If they have enough users/make enough money, they'll make their own. Ecosia and Qwant (both european search engines) are working together to make their own index.

"There might be an option in the future if there are sufficient users" is a quite different milestone compared to fully switching away from US-based services.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Fastmail is based in Australia [1], not Germany. [1]: https://www.fastmail.com/company/about/

Fastmail's servers are apparently located in the United States[1] - and the Netherlands, but there doesn't seem to be a way to know in which country your specific mailboxes are stored. > Our colocation providers could be compelled to give physical access to our servers. Network capturing devices could be installed. And in the worst case an attacker could simply force their way into the datacentre and physically remov…

Fastmail can't be trusted.

Australia has some fairly draconian digital laws that authorities can issue notices requiring developers to assist with an investigation. This can include technical assistance which could require companies to build capability for law enforcement to break the encryption used in their services.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/nov/05/sessi...

https://www.404media.co/encrypted-chat-app-session-leaves-au...

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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> Git repos (it's too difficult) Sourcehut > Startpage uses Google's index. If they have enough users/make enough money, they'll make their own. Ecosia and Qwant (both european search engines) are working together to make their own index. In any case, even if a european is a proxy for an american service, you need to prove that there is a market for an european equivalent for change to happen.

> Sourcehut Is it there yet? > Notice: sr.ht is currently in alpha, and the quality of the service may reflect that. As such, payment is currently optional for most features, and only encouraged for users who want to support the ongoing development of the site. For a summary of the guarantees and limitations that the alpha entails, see this reference. – https://sourcehut.org/pricing

I've used it for a few years and it's been stable and without issue. builds.sr.ht is the best CI that I've ever used. I think the only time it has been down has been due to DDOS.

Would I run the git server of a multi-national bank on it? Probably not. A standard SAAS? Yeah if my team felt it was important to use EU companies.

Otherwise you could also self-host with a VM, then you can use gitea or gitolite with systemd oneshot services.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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I was thinking about it today, I could think of an equivalent for EC2, S3, Software defined networking, archival, load balancers etc. But, one thing I could not easily come up with a replacement for is IAM. What would be an equivalent to IAM that a smallish cloud provider could use without building it from scratch? A system that provides roles, policies and granular permissions that can be attached to specific resour…

For hetzner object storage probably generate keys for VM's and store them in Vault or similar tool to manage credentials, which you'll likely want anyway.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Perfect is the enemy of good. The EU has it's flaws, but if you can't see the difference between the US privacy climate and the EU privacy climate then you need a reality check.

Yup, in the USA you can still have VPN server that is not storing logs, something that is simply illegal in European Union countries. In the USA you can purchase prepaid SIM card in Wallmart with cash, put it in your phone and you have anonymous phone number, again, this is illegal in Europe in a typical stupid European way, as any criminal who needs an anonymous card would pull in to the retailer some drunk or homel…

There is always a degree of incoherence in people's beliefs and actions.

A good one along the lines of your comment, IMHO, is how most Europeans are very happy to promote ID cards and to be asked for theirs all the time while always complaining about "privacy" and against "surveillance".

For instance in France you must show your ID to buy even a prepaid SIM card, but then again the police can ask to see your ID with little justification. Or how they ask for ID when checking your ticket in the TGV high-speed train...

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I run Firefox on Linux and I rarely encounter Cloudflare captchas.

Strange, I get them so much. It might be because I tweaked my user agent. I had to do this, because Microsoft is being obstinate and disabling a lot of M365 features if you're on Firefox on Linux. When I set my UA to Edge it suddenly works totally fine. I'm just a bit stuck with M365 due to my work, unfortunately.

In that case you might want to consider keeping a separate Firefox profile for M365. Then you can have the alternative UA string only in that profile.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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I would like to see a movement more along the lines of "Moving away from cloud services", not just US services. Our computers are faster than ever, internet bandwidth is not a problem, public IPs affordable. Why not self host when possible?

Yep, I just finished moving most of my stuff to a bunch of small (but stupidly powerful) machines in my and my parents house. They sync and work very well. It's a nice feeling, finally everything is hosted and backed up and in my own hands. Of coourse, this is not for business, although I would have no issues hosting small busness on here; it's more robust than most single vps solutions.

Doesn't that go against the whole "one local, one local external storage, one remote" backup redundancy?

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Interesting how for a (junior) dinosaur, like me, this was never a problem: I still run my mail, web, nextcloud, xmpp, forgejo, etc server on a former thin client under a cupboard. With a symmetrical fiber 1G connection it's been surprisingly reliable. FAQ: Yes, you can run self hosted mail. Yes, it's complex. No, it's not hard, but it takes time, as it is complex - if you want to understand it. If not, go for someth…

I self host a mail server too. Static IPs are not available for a residential connection where I live which makes PTR and SPF records hard. What I've been doing is using Oracle's "always free" VM to host VyOS as an ingress/egress router. It's been pretty easy to set up the mail server itself using iRedMail.

I've had some problems with spamhaus and outlook because that whole IP range is not trustworthy but otherwise it's just worked (Spamhaus was nice enough to put me on a whiltelist).

I know hosting at Oracle is not moving away from US cloud services but I set this up two years ago and this could be achieved using any cheap or free VPS.

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