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Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

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Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

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Just a general observation as someone nearing 50. I'm honestly very curious to see if someone has had a different experience than me. I'm am, to put it mildly, not an "organized person". I have tried a million different systems throughout my life - GTD, Inbox Zero, spreadsheets, etc. etc. To be honest, I don't believe that any of these "organization systems" really help people that have problems being organized in th…

I'm roughly the same. Here's what I do. I go to Staples and buy some bankers boxes. These are cardboard boxes that come in a flat pack and you fold the flaps in and make a box. It's sized to hold file folders, but I don't use file folders. I write the year on the side and top of the box. Every imporant piece of paper, paid bill, receipt, credit card and bank statements, anything I want to hang on to goes into the box…

Similar here, documents goes into the documents drawer. Digital documents has been going into /Dropbox/docs/$current_year (without much organization within them). New year, new folder.

Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

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> You assign a unique ID to everything in your life.

Ah - that’s fun, but no. Using codes to organize stuff like that is unnecessary complication. Just label them robustly, and search for what you want, when you want it.

> In real life, if you stored your stuff in piles of badly-labelled boxes you'd never find anything again.

Okay but this isn’t real life, this is a computer. The robot’s entire job is to process data automatically in a way that would be tedious for you to accomplish manually.

Forcing a user to remember an indexing system that matches concepts describable in plain English to esoteric numeral codes is just - why, why are you doing this to yourself. It’s not better.

Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just wrote a sibling comment echoing essentially the same philosophy, although you've elucidated the principles in more detail. As I wrote, my system is basically use a paper filing system (don't overthink it, just alphabetically ordered, labeled manila files), Google Calendar, Google Drive, and Obsidian on my phone for miscellaneous note-taking. I'm eager to learn more about your systems. Where's your blog?

My blog is at https://blog.emacsen.net but I haven't written much. The problem I have is that writing the why is harder than the what. For example, I use a modified Cycle System, but some of my modifications are around how many tasks I do a day, and how I categorize which tasks I do. As an example, understanding task limits and why you should use them is important. As I write out my thoughts about them, it feels bori…

I would love to read a continuation of this blog. I don't have an ADHD diagnose or even a suspicion of one but these problems of organizing everyone has. It's just easier or harder to get to grips with them. We need more different views of how minds work so we can find the one that resonates. Short posts that solve one problem is perfect so one can get one step in the right direction at a time.

Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

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[IQ distribution chart meme] * Just use Apple Notes * No! You can't just use Apple Notes. You need a full ontological graph structure based on an open standard! * Just use Apple Notes

This. Just use the most immediate thing available. For me its: * Apple Notes * Apple Reminders That’s it. Gets the job done.

Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

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post #159

This seems overly complex? 15.2.234 for example is not remotely memorable or intuitive - no one knows what that is. Why limit yourself to this low-signal approach? It seems deliberately obtuse for no obvious benefits? What has worked for me is a folder per financial year, then just rough semantic groupings in each year folder called e.g. "cars" "health" "house" "tax" etc and just chuck files into those as needed. I u…

Well, you only need to remember "00.00 Index" which is where description of all categories is. Your version IMO is awful. Year on root level means you have to remember year that document was created. Unless you constantly need to lookup insurance documents (only thing besides taxes I can remember which year I'm looking for) that's not going to work IMO. Since we threw away core organization principle of this system (…

Well time is the only constant in life, so it makes sense to me to store by time since that is always moving forwards and things happen at a point in time.

But it is a valid that you have to remember the year, but this is why if you store on a cloud service, they all come with excellent search facilities that I expect will continue to improve with AI. So you don't need to remember, you just search for e.g. "insurance" and then you pick the doc with the date in it's filename etc.

Sure you could group by theme at the top level too, but again time is a constant - you always have 2024, 2025, 2026 etc, but you don't always have a need to store things about e.g. "car2" in every year etc. so it makes sense to me that if car2 comes into your life in say 2025 and leaves you in 2028 or whatever, that you have car2 folders in those specific years only and not permanently polluting the top-level folders because after car2 leaves you, you don't want it hanging around ~forever at the top level. You're just building up "organisation-debt" for something you'll need to "archive" in the future.

I think perhaps we're thinking about different things though. I store documents about day to day life - statements, invoices, insurance certificates, etc etc. These all tend to be dated and repeat monthly/quarterly/annually or thereabouts, and for me the most frequent retrieval need is for the current financial year.

I don't store my friend Jane's or Jan's documents, not do I have documents about them either. I don't just have random notes documents about random things.

At work where I have non-time-based documents (including random notes documents!) coming out of my ears - both written by me, reviewed by me, read by me, CC'd but I read etc - thousands and thousands etc - I just rely entirely on search and it's never been a problem. No filing system at all - just search. It's fine.

Cloud-based storage and search really is key here I think. I can be on calls to utility companies etc and I can search and have my most recent statement up on my screen quicker than the people in the call center folks most of the time.

Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

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Using numerical prefixes like the 'Johnny Decimal' system for folder organization is fine for personal files, if that floats your boat, but trying to implement it in a shared team area can be a recipe for strife. At best people will think you are slightly mad expecting them to memorise lists of numbers just to file things.

Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

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Just a general observation as someone nearing 50. I'm honestly very curious to see if someone has had a different experience than me. I'm am, to put it mildly, not an "organized person". I have tried a million different systems throughout my life - GTD, Inbox Zero, spreadsheets, etc. etc. To be honest, I don't believe that any of these "organization systems" really help people that have problems being organized in th…

I am in same camp.

I recently read the book Meditations for Mortals by Oliver Burkeman.

Resonates a lot with my experience and struggle with trying to stay productive.

I may not have learnt any new skills from this book but at least feel a tad bit more at peace with things as they as and as they unfold.

Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

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Just a general observation as someone nearing 50. I'm honestly very curious to see if someone has had a different experience than me. I'm am, to put it mildly, not an "organized person". I have tried a million different systems throughout my life - GTD, Inbox Zero, spreadsheets, etc. etc. To be honest, I don't believe that any of these "organization systems" really help people that have problems being organized in th…

Just personal experience, read with a grain of salt.

I don't consider myself an organised person (my calendar is chaotic, I don't clean out my inbox and use it as a pseudo to-do list with priorities, I don't have enough time and energy and constantly feel like I'm being a shit friend/family/mentor, etc.) but everyone I have worked with see me as a very organised person: I document every piece of my work in detail that others can understand, I have good estimates on tasks I'm assigned and very rarely miss deadline, I remember when important events are without needing a calendar and am always on time.

The thing is, GTD doesn't work for me. I have also worked with many mangers who tried to shove the framework du jour onto everyone and never had any success with it despite putting in a lot of effort into "meeting expectations".

The cynical me now thinks that people who tells everyone certain system work is because:

1. Someone published a popular book that managed to sell well from the business section.

2. It just happened to work for some people. Even 2 out of 10 people you meet talk about it is enough to make you think about it, now imagine 6 out of 10 managers you meet knows about that system.

3. Most managers I have met (whose jobs are to get others to get things done) don't really have time to understand you, that includes most of them who say they care about my career (they didn't, they cared about their own careers more than mine). If there is something existing they can manage you with they'll use it because when it doesn't work it's either your problem or the framework's problem, not theirs.

4. (Cynical opinion) It's mostly just a facade for people who have authority over you (especially the ones who are technically less capable but somehow moved up) to show their bosses they are doing _something_. Like the new lead designer who decided to change the company brand color or the new head of department who thinks that changing the department's name is going to invigorate everyone's passion to do better work.

One thing that I have learned from the people who are smart and productive is that they have actually spent time to continuously develop and refine a system that works for them over time. They also try new things and just move on if it doesn't.

You probably have met a lot of amazing people if you have mostly been working with others so far. Just think about what the people you truly admire professionally do -- I'd bet that they don't talk about GTD and even if they do it's just an introduction to something remotely similar to what they do and have refined over time.

I know it can be difficult at work sometimes when (whether you know at that moment or not) people are offloading their responsibilities and pressure onto you (it's particularly bad if you are a very responsible person). However, if you believe that you usually have a reasonable amount of time to get things done, just ask yourself if you have done your job well and and delivered things on time. If you have, then the problem probably isn't you or GTD or some other framework that doesn't work for you.

Re: Johnny.Decimal – A system to organise your life

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Just a general observation as someone nearing 50. I'm honestly very curious to see if someone has had a different experience than me. I'm am, to put it mildly, not an "organized person". I have tried a million different systems throughout my life - GTD, Inbox Zero, spreadsheets, etc. etc. To be honest, I don't believe that any of these "organization systems" really help people that have problems being organized in th…

A few weeks ago, during a one-on-one with my manager, I had an interesting realization about this topic.

I understood that my chaotic nature isn’t due to a lack of organization—it’s because I thrive in chaos. I can function well without strict structure because I don’t need it to stay effective.

My manager, on the other hand, is the complete opposite. She needs everything documented and noted, not because she’s inherently more organized, but because the absence of structure creates anxiety and discomfort for her.

She actually complimented me on my ability to navigate uncertainty, to adapt without needing full control, and still feel capable and at ease.

It felt like an epiphany, shifting the way I perceive this entire topic.

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