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Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by spmurrayzzz »

lionkor wrote: post #118
rafaelmn wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Remote editing does not work on Windows (its not implemented at all), so if you are on windows, you cannot ssh into anything with the editor remote editing feature. This means you cannot use your PC as a thin client to the actual chunky big work machine like you can with vscode. Does this work on anything other than VSCode ? I have been trying to use JetBrains stuff for this but it has been bad for years with little…

Works on JetBrains, vscode, any terminal editor (neovim, vim, nano, etc.). Is it any good? It's fine on JetBrains, great on vscode, the rest is more or less great. Zed does not have it. You want to edit a remote file? You download it, edit it, upload it. That's much worse than a half baked implementation.

For clarity, this does work with the mac os version of Zed. I use it frequently to work on my GPU nodes. The one tradeoff that is a bit of a smell for me is that the preview version of the feature requires you talk to a centralized broker on Zed's servers rather than fully p2p between your local IDE and your own server.

This is supposedly temporary though IIRC (may even be changed already in a dev branch, not sure).

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by pipo234 »

pritambarhate wrote: post #183
botanical76 wrote: post #165

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Well, I notice there is a lot of pressure in organizations for individual developers to start making use of these tools. I was already using AI extensively before my company picked up on it, so it doesn't really affect me negatively, but I notice some of my coworkers starting to ask questions like "Do I have to use it?". The status quo seems to imply that you {refuse to accept change,aren't willing to grow,aren't int…

If an employee demonstrates the same level of productivity without using AI, most managers would likely be fine with that approach. However, if a manager observes that several team members are more productive with AI and are achieving business goals more quickly, they will naturally expect everyone to adopt it. Those who refuse to use AI and cannot match the efficiency of their peers may eventually be replaced. While…

Show me a manager that can realistically gauge productivity first, and I'd be happy to consider having this type of argument.

Otherwise, I'll stick to developing software in a small company where my boss trusts me to get the job done at my own pace with whatever tools I chose.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by [deleted] »

danielsamuels wrote: post #116
as-cii wrote: post #85

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Hey! Zed founder here. We totally agree with this and that's why Zed will switch the keybinding for accepting an edit prediction to `alt-tab` when the cursor is in the leading whitespace of a line. This way you can keep using `tab` for indenting in that situation. Also, when there's both an edit prediction and and LSP completion, Zed switches the keybinding to `alt-tab` to prevent the conflict with accepting an LSP c…

For reasons that should be obvious, that's not going to work on Windows.

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Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by ajayka »

lionkor wrote: post #123
powerhugs wrote: post #68

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So it can rust now? That's impressive! Last time I tried it had no way of valid rust code beyond hello-world level, constantly producing code that failed the borrow checker.

I rarely if ever have to worry about the borrow checker, mostly stumbling blocks are move/copy/clone semantics. GitHub Copilot does a good job of generating correct Rust, it just has the usual subtle-but-annihilating-if-not-caught logic bugs, like in all other languages.

In my experience, Copilot is not able to fix rust code flagged by the borrow checker. Its suggestions are almost always wrong.This is a hard problem and often requires restructing the code (and sometimes using inner mutuability constructs such as RefCell and so on).

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by bastardoperator »

lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

What kind of mentality is this? I remember before snapple was a widely known name they used to give out free bottles all over Los Angeles. I never thought to myself, I better not taste this free drink until I know the actual price.

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Post by [deleted] »

gizmo wrote: post #208
computerthings wrote: post #135

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Colonizers demand you change. Things make life better for people need to just exist. You just need to see your neighbor enjoying it to want yourself some of that. If you need to make changes for that, you'll ask what changes those are, and make them, if the trade-offs are worth it. If you need to scold people for being backwards for not accepting your great gift, it's not a great gift. > AI tools are amazing. You jus…

Technological change is like a force of nature. It's not polite. It doesn't care about your or your neighbor's preferences. It doesn't present itself as a gift. It doesn't even matter whether AI is harmful or beneficial because AI is here to stay regardless. You may detest AI but it will still become ubiquitous and you will be forced to adapt to this new reality. The history of the world is in a sense a history of te…

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Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by KPGv2 »

kristofferR wrote: post #151
lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

It's like the recent Samsung phones, functionality fees are waived until 2026. No word about the price yet. [1] Samsung should be avoided like the plague anyway, I've never seen such a malicious and hostile company! On Dec 13 they silently announced that they were gonna break Samsung APIs on Dec 30 [2]. Yeah, they gave devs the "You gotta spend your holidays fixing our mess, otherwise your app will break". Due to tha…

> Samsung should be avoided like the plague anyway

I've avoided them for years. I had a Samsung phone a long time ago, and I'd rooted it to run one of those apps that could automate tasks (Tasker?), with a killer feature being when I turn my phone upside down, it goes on silent mode. Standard now, but back then wasn't possible on Android, and Tasker enabled it. And also some geofencing stuff. If I got a text while going faster than 10mph it would respond back "driving right now, will respond later."

Anyway, Samsung released an upgrade that I'd heard would eradicate root and make it impossible going forward. Something to do with Knox, a corporate way of locking down phones for employees.

I repeatedly declined to upgrade.

Finally, one night, with my phone in another room, it force-installed the update, with Knox, on my phone, wiping out my root, making it impossible going forward, and making Tasker worthless for me.

I've never given Samsung another cent. No company that will disobey me re my own property and will remotely hack my device and wipe out my content can be trusted, and that's essentially what they did.

For similar reasons, I've never given Sony any money since the rootkit scandal. 2025 marks twenty years of no Sony. I've probably unknowingly seen a few Sony films, but that's it. No electronics, no games, etc.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by scottlamb »

pjmlp wrote: post #153
rafaelmn wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Remote editing does not work on Windows (its not implemented at all), so if you are on windows, you cannot ssh into anything with the editor remote editing feature. This means you cannot use your PC as a thin client to the actual chunky big work machine like you can with vscode. Does this work on anything other than VSCode ? I have been trying to use JetBrains stuff for this but it has been bad for years with little…

As someone that is old enough to have used UNIX development servers for the whole company, with PC thin clients, reading about remote development as modern workflow is kind of hilarious.

The remote development feature implemented in VS Code—and I believe also in beta in Zed—is a million times better than what you're used to. The UI is local, the storage and computation (including the language server) are remote. This takes away the lag when connected to a far-away server while still allowing things like platform-dependent compilation to work correctly and efficiently.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by pjmlp »

scottlamb wrote: post #228
pjmlp wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone that is old enough to have used UNIX development servers for the whole company, with PC thin clients, reading about remote development as modern workflow is kind of hilarious.

The remote development feature implemented in VS Code—and I believe also in beta in Zed—is a million times better than what you're used to. The UI is local, the storage and computation (including the language server) are remote. This takes away the lag when connected to a far-away server while still allowing things like platform-dependent compilation to work correctly and efficiently.

For the last 35 years, X Windows, Citrix and RDP have done the job just fine, in what I am concerned.

No, they aren't anything better than what I am used to.

Also, as compromise, a cloud shell, browser based IDE setup, and dev containers, also does the job in what concerns cloud deployments, which should be driven from CI/CD and don't have shells on containers anyway.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by santoshalper »

jermberj wrote: post #219
lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

That's ... uh ... not what a rug pull is. They're telling you plainly from the jump that they're going to eventually charge for it. Point taken on your wish to wait, that makes perfect sense.

They're just telling you it's not going to be $0.00. It could be $5/year, $20/mo or anything else. It's the gentleman's rug-pull.
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