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We'll look back on it as we do all of the other times people got away with things they shouldn't have gotten away with while holding the power of the state. I'll also add that there are absolutely people in Europe who aspire to see this kind of thing happen there, and that in some cases, it already has. See: Orban, Brexit, Le Pen, AfD, etc... and that of course doesn't touch on what happens in less-Western European c…

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> As an European I find it odd that you are suggesting that the stated goals of DOGE (government efficiency, cutting public expenses, wasre, etc) are, as I interpret your choice of people/parties, "far right".

Just because Hannibal Lecter's stated goal is a "tasty meal" doesn't mean it's intended to be accomplished in a good fashion.

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> Elected officials trying to do what they told voters they would do is literally the textbook definition of monarchy. I expect that you intended to say "textbook definition of democracy", but the Freudian slip is quite something.

No no, its monarchism. Doing what his supporters voted for makes Trump a king.

You don't get to vote to break laws. You can vote to change or remove laws, but that is not what is happening here.

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Trump won the popular vote with 49.8% of votes cast, let’s stop pretending the entire country gave him the mandate to do whatever he wants.

An eligible voter who doesn't vote is effectively a vote for the winner, so a majority was at least complicit.

“Complicit” is an interesting word choice here—as if a non-voter is somehow responsible for wrongdoing? What “wrong” was done here? Trump won because he was democratically elected by every measure we have, both popular vote and electoral college. If your candidate lost it’s because they didn’t earn the votes, have the message, or created the reason for that non-voter to vote for them. The candidate and campaign are more responsible for their loss than the non-voter. You are shifting blame to where it doesn’t belong.

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Did you know we also have NPR and PBS? A literal public-TV censorship board? Also, we’re talking about the CIA. Your conspiracy theory has them waiting for a law to be repealed before acting? Do you think a single DOGE bro hired a lawyer before acting? > because law makers were terrified of what would happen if this was turned inward What nonsense. Where did you read this? We had a massive and celebrated domestic pro…

You can just read the wikipedia on it, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith%E2%80%93Mundt_Act#Congre... And note the FBI's concerns there at the end too. This isnt about NPR. It's about The State Department and the intelligence services which were localised under the department at the time. Let's just be very simple about this though. We have in 2012 a repeal of a law which existed to ban the state department ("the wa…

> You can just read the wikipedia on it

Smith-Mundt was a restriction on State. It did nothing to restrict the CIA, or USAID for that matter.

It was also motivated by concerns that State harboured communist sympathies. Saying the Act was motivated by concerns around "what would happen if [American propaganda] was turned inward" is factually false, unsupported by contemporaneous accounts of the bill's backers.

> I am, fyi, not right wing; and not pro-trump

Didn't think you were (and neither am I).

Deep State comes in two flavours. One is the lizard-man crap that appeals to people who can't handle uncertainty. The other is a hypothesis about power in America. The section of the latter that overlaps with the left is based on a sub-hypothesis: that money buying messaging equals power.

The problem with this linkage is it's empirically false. Jeb Bush outspent Trump. Harris outspent Trump. Cambridge Analytica was 2016's AI scare (and Democrats' turn at election denial). Money buys power, but through direct messaging, the acquisition of proximity and--sometimes--bribes.

> we have, during the pandemic, the deployment of all of this machinery at once

And? Nothing happened. People who dissented had the space in which to dissent. They did so openly, peacefully and in spaces old and new.

To put it bluntly, we don't give our adversaries abroad that room. To the extent DOGE might help America, it's in showing us what a real deep state looks like. I'm hoping it doesn't come to it. But someone's e.g. Social Security or government-contract payments failing after an offensive tweet, not due to civic action or private citizens' actions, but due to a Kafkaesque arm of the state--that is the power of the deep state.

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Objectively untrue. Voting irregularities aside, far more people sat the election out entirely, and of those who voted, there was a vanishingly small lead Trump & co had. The majority of the country is disengaged & apathetic. That's worse than a majority "wanting this," in my personal opinion, but the majority of the country did not vote for this, they just didn't vote at all.

Which means, the way others argument here (and are downvoted for it) the majority of the country is not particularly bothered by what is going on. No, they didn't approve of this, but also didn't disapprove. So why keeping them aside? Their conscious choice of "let whoever win" has brought the world where it is now just as the vote pro-Trump did, so if it walks and quacks like a Trump helper...

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No no, its monarchism. Doing what his supporters voted for makes Trump a king.

You don't get to vote to break laws. You can vote to change or remove laws, but that is not what is happening here.

That is not what many voted for. I personally know a few who voted with glee because Trump is a loose cannon and follows no decorum.

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> maybe the user is implying that a civil war will break out I’m not. Short of a decapitation strike in which MAGA and Musk are taken out in a night of long knives, which would itself be more destabilising to our republic than anything they’ve done, there is little to play for a military conflict à la the Civil War in a nuclear state. If we’re going to see a civil war, it wouldn’t be states vs U.S. but some compartme…

I see. My opinion is that nuclear weapons are more or less useless in a modern conflict, as has been observed in the Russia-Ukraine war with endless Russian sabre-rattling. The collateral damage from nuclear weapons makes their usage suicidal, and in the case of the US, states breaking away from the Federal government would also inherit a nuclear arsenal -- leading to a stalemate. The Russia-Ukraine war has convinced…

> nuclear weapons are more or less useless in a modern conflict, as has been observed in the Russia-Ukraine war with endless Russian sabre-rattling

Russia is constrained by India and China in its use of tactical nukes in Ukraine. That wouldn't apply in America.

> collateral damage from nuclear weapons makes their usage suicidal

The excess damage caused by tactical nukes when compared with conventional weapons, particularly the low-efficiency sort that tend to find their way into civil wars, is principally diplomatic. We're currently seeing a breakdown of the rules-based international order.

> in the case of the US, states breaking away from the Federal government would also inherit a nuclear arsenal

Why? The nukes are on U.S. land, legally and militarily. A state militia attempting to storm a nuclear silo is, if anything, the closest legitimate reason I can think of for why Washington might nuke its own homeland.

> Russia-Ukraine war has convinced me that artificial intelligence driven drone warfare has rendered nuclear warfare obsolete

There have been no AI drones in that war. Drones are reigning free because nobody established air superiority.

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Oh look this has already been flagged. I think it’s important to recognize that HN is most likely supportive of the Trump/Musk regime. Remember that Gary Tan wanted to run the same playbook in the city of San Francisco. Please keep this in mind when posting here. Finally, depending on where we end up, I wonder how history will remember HN.

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Re: DOGE staffer is trying to reroute FEMA funds

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You can just read the wikipedia on it, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith%E2%80%93Mundt_Act#Congre... And note the FBI's concerns there at the end too. This isnt about NPR. It's about The State Department and the intelligence services which were localised under the department at the time. Let's just be very simple about this though. We have in 2012 a repeal of a law which existed to ban the state department ("the wa…

> You can just read the wikipedia on it Smith-Mundt was a restriction on State. It did nothing to restrict the CIA, or USAID for that matter. It was also motivated by concerns that State harboured communist sympathies. Saying the Act was motivated by concerns around "what would happen if [American propaganda] was turned inward" is factually false, unsupported by contemporaneous accounts of the bill's backers. > I am,…

It's not in my interest to discuss the actions of the intelligence system in the US/UK, so I wont. I'm inclined never to address the subject again, to be honest.

Tulsi Gabbard's hearing may be a tiny bit illuminating. The DOGE wrecking ball might lead to a new Church-committe-style hearing, there's already hearings in the house on the "censorship-industrial complex" but they're too naive at the moment. DOGE still think the "DEI" funding of USAID has something to do with being leftwing (rather than, say, the funding counter-government movements).

Meh. In many ways, it's all too late now. "How should the intelligence services conduct themselves?" has never been a question open to democratic debate, nor one any mass media outlet would dream of posing. Today, esp. it isnt one we citizens should raise -- leave it to whomever is able to roll the dice "at the top".

Re: DOGE staffer is trying to reroute FEMA funds

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How will local/state prosecute it? The crimes are on the federal level and pretty sure they'll receive pardons.

I think maybe the user is implying that a civil war will break out. I started reading about the original American Civil War after recent events. The lead up to that was protracted. As long as some states begin assembling militias now and unify, it's probable they will be able to mount an attack against the Federal government as happened back then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_events_leading_to_...

The 1800s for a very different time when the national army essentially didn't exist. And probably isn't a very good model for what a modern national breakup looks like.

Brexit would be the best case, although most objections to the federal government would be resolved with a reduced size and scope

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