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A Year of Telepathy

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Post by drawkward »

sneak wrote: post #111
phillipcarter wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Overt nazi salutes is one, but another is the intentional tinkering-with and partial dismantling of the US Government's system to dispense appropriated funds, and act that is blatantly illegal.

I have no extremely strong pro- or anti- Musk feelings, but the ADL (who seem to me to be the experts on antisemitism) say that’s not what that was. https://x.com/ADL/status/1881474892022919403 There also doesn’t seem to be any corroborating data to suggest he’s a nazi. I’m all for calling a spade a spade if he is, but it seems that people are working backwards from the “I hate Musk” position rather than forwards fro…

The ADL can be wrong too. The ADL can want to avoid harassment from Elon's brownshirts.

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Post by clarionbell »

Musk is a great example of how to ruin ones legacy. At this point, no matter what he does, how his companies perform, or even if this implant gives people back control of their bodies. Nothing will rid his work of the taint.

It's tragic in a way. If he stuck to same playbook as practiced by many other early tech billionaires, spending his life on investing, philanthropy, himself and family, the world would probably not have things like common reusable rockets, widespread EV adoption or massive satellite constellations.

His willingness to pour money, and ability get others to pour their money, into various extremely risky ventures, is what made all of that possible. Eventually it would happen anyway, but probably much later.

But I suspect, that very same personality traits that enabled him to do this, are responsible for his current state. Over the years he has lost his self control, to the point that he looks almost childish. Handful of years ago, he opposed people he now works with.

He's now undermining his own companies, with his actions. Even people like Murdoch or Thiel look better in comparison. Not because of what they do, but because they are less visible.

Everything he has ever done, will now be viewed in much worse light. His reputation, sabotaged by the only person who could accomplish that feat. Himself.

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Post by rob74 »

api wrote: post #217
andrewoneone wrote: post #181

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What's his vision though? (This isn't me being naive - it's more of me asking the reader of these comments to contemplate this)

I don't like Musk's recent actions or the awful political ideas he's been pushing either, but it's remarkable that people can't see why he's admired by so many people. This sort of blindness is a major reason liberals can't properly respond to the rise of MAGA or Trumpism. They refuse to understand it. Understanding something doesn't mean you agree. You can't properly criticize something you don't understand, nor can…

I don't dispute Musk's success as a manager - the problem is that, to achieve his vision, he turned each of his companies into dictatorships. That's fine (at least in the US), because you can choose not to work for him. But I don't think it's fine to run the entire US like Musk's (and Trump's) companies are run. As they say, Hitler contributed a lot to technical progress, built great Autobahns, and his scientists later assisted both the US and the USSR in the space race and in other fields - does that mean it's good Hitler was in charge of Germany? I don't think so..

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by api »

rob74 wrote: post #223
api wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like Musk's recent actions or the awful political ideas he's been pushing either, but it's remarkable that people can't see why he's admired by so many people. This sort of blindness is a major reason liberals can't properly respond to the rise of MAGA or Trumpism. They refuse to understand it. Understanding something doesn't mean you agree. You can't properly criticize something you don't understand, nor can…

I don't dispute Musk's success as a manager - the problem is that, to achieve his vision, he turned each of his companies into dictatorships. That's fine (at least in the US), because you can choose not to work for him. But I don't think it's fine to run the entire US like Musk's (and Trump's) companies are run. As they say, Hitler contributed a lot to technical progress, built great Autobahns, and his scientists lat…

That's what I'm getting at.

Why do we need this to advance?

We had everything we needed to build the Falcon 9 in 1985.

We will keep suffering Hitlers until we can build the Autobahn without him.

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Post by ben_w »

tmnvdb wrote: post #201
ben_w wrote: post #183

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> In fact, you again spend your whole message talking about abstract considerations No. Not abstractions. I have experience of software, I know how bad the entire industry is . https://xkcd.com/2030/ applies to everything. Even without malice, my degree used as case studies the failures of the Therac-25 and the digitalisation of the 1992 failure of the London Ambulance Service computerised dispatch system. Hospitals…

Software safety is an abstract concept. You have experience with specific instances of problems that fall under the abstract concept of software security. This is not to say it is not important. Not being able to move your hands is not an abstract concept. It can be directly experienced.

"A specific disability" is as little of an abstraction as "this specific software vulnerability".

"Disability in general" exactly as much an abstraction as "software safety in general".

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Post by contagiousflow »

jonjon16 wrote: post #125

Here's a post about an amazing piece of technology that is being created for helping people in dire conditions and the only thing being discussed in here is how much of a bad person is the owner of the company researching said technology. Now, I'm not a US citizen so I have way less stakes in that kind of discussion but I have to say, I find it disgusting how one of my favorite online forum have become a den for poli…

Don't you think the business operators, along with their motives and influence, should be a part of the discussions on technology?

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Post by dmbche »

jonjon16 wrote: post #125

Here's a post about an amazing piece of technology that is being created for helping people in dire conditions and the only thing being discussed in here is how much of a bad person is the owner of the company researching said technology. Now, I'm not a US citizen so I have way less stakes in that kind of discussion but I have to say, I find it disgusting how one of my favorite online forum have become a den for poli…

I'm not seeing discussion on how much of a bad person that guy is but in how he's demonstrated recklessness and a disrespect for oversight, which are alarming when discussing medical devices - especially such as this specific one.

This is a piece of marketing from a private company. It is a good thing that people raise criticism missing from it.

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Post by cubefox »

Philpax wrote: post #137
cubefox wrote: post #42

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> The Financial Times just ran an article about how trump might defy the supreme court on his way to burning down the republic. But that is arguably a mixture between conjecture and hyperbole which would not be surprising from a newspaper that is clearly quite left-wing and often aims to make right-wing people look bad. It's like a right-wing newspaper writing an alarmist piece about Kamala Harris. Would you expect a…

The Financial Times is "quite left-wing"? Really? It's certainly not Jacobin! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Times#Editorial_stan...

I meant pro-Democrats, which is a different kind of left-wing.
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