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Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by nomdep »

Natsu wrote: post #89
mattmaroon wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The risk from TikTok is possibly not speculative at all. I think it’s quite likely the national security apparatus knows something and informed congressmen because they went from being opposed to it to being in favor of it in a short time.

I have no way of verifying it, but I heard from someone I believe to be connected enough to know things that TikTok is taking marching orders from the Chinese military.

That is kind of obvious. It’s a well known fact that all Chinese companies after certain size/reach are controlled by the Chinese government

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by atkailash »

dmix wrote: post #22
ijk wrote: post #7

On the one hand Hawley proposes a lot of things that don't ever get close to becoming law. On the other hand, we did ban TikTok (which is currently unavailable on the app stores because of the ban). I can think of few ways to more effectively destroy any US advantage in AI compared with the sheer efficiency of making it illegal to learn from what competing countries have achieved. From the article, it sounds like the…

Not sure it’s even worth speculating on a bill that’s merely been proposed. This one sounds DOA. But yeah TikTok ban was a very bad precedent, mostly because it was based on speculative risks, not hard proof of existing behaviour (TikTok not engaging didn't help at all either). Regardless of the merits I too hope it doesn’t have a ripple effect. National security is such a huge brush you could paint anything you want…

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Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by munchler »

jameslk wrote: post #192
nl wrote: post #157

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> A downloaded model that can be run on US servers is covered by the first amendment as free speech. This is absolutely not settled law.

Other than intellectual property concerns and some obtuse arguments about the model inciting others to break the law (which isn’t specific to China anyway), I’d be really curious what good arguments can be made about how it isn’t protected by the first amendment and how those arguments could target Chinese models specifically

Downloading and running software is not speech. (Just trying to steel-man the opposing argument.)

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Post by jashmatthews »

aragonite wrote: post #108
mattmaroon wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The risk from TikTok is possibly not speculative at all. I think it’s quite likely the national security apparatus knows something and informed congressmen because they went from being opposed to it to being in favor of it in a short time.

The ranking member (senior Democrat) on the intelligence committee voted against the ban ( https://www.ctinsider.com/columnist/article/tiktok-ban-jim-h... ): > One key for him is that it’s only a possible threat. Our best intelligence, including in a briefing for Congress from the Biden administration Tuesday, is that the Chinese government has not actually done the things the ban fears. Also, from a recent All-In in…

Intelligence is kinda unnecessary at this point. A Tiktok VP already admitted to a UK parliament select committee that they used to harshly moderate anything the Chinese government found sensitive

Q90 - John Nicolson: It may happen elsewhere, and I can tell you what your official TikTok response was to this leak. You did not deny that these were instructions. In fact, you confirmed that these were instructions, but what you said was that the company had changed its policy in May 2019. Previously, you instructed your moderators to take down videos critical of China, specifically talking about incidents in Tiananmen Square, separatism in Tibet, all straight out of the Chinese Communist Party playbook. You confirmed that is what your moderators did, but your defence was that you had changed your policy in May 2019.

Theo Bertram: It is highly regrettable that that is what it was, but it is not our policy today, nor has it been for a long time.

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/13247/html/

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Post by [deleted] »

hackerdues wrote: post #122
monetus wrote: post #6

It is useful context for people who aren't American to know how ridiculous Josh Hawley is, and has always been. The current authoritarian chaos could lend some weight to the possibility that this becomes law, but it is still unlikely.

> It is useful context for people who aren't American to know how ridiculous Josh Hawley is, and has always been. Hawley looks like a clown and acts like a clown but he knows how to play the game. The only two things the guy talks about is how much he loves israel and hates china. With those credentials, he might be president one day.

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Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by karaterobot »

groggo wrote: post #185
mattmaroon wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The risk from TikTok is possibly not speculative at all. I think it’s quite likely the national security apparatus knows something and informed congressmen because they went from being opposed to it to being in favor of it in a short time.

> national security apparatus knows something For some stuff like this it's hard to imagine why they wouldn't be able to make it public. You need public support if you're going to ban an app that a lot of the public likes. Almost certainly IMO, no substantive evidence existed.

You clearly don't need public support to force TikTok to be sold. They did it.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

cyberax wrote: post #202
rsync wrote: post #190

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Genuinely curious - if one did not have any tooling at all (other than curl or wget or fetch, etc.) is there a one-liner to download only the deepseek model ? git clone --mirror ... ?

Yes, you need git with git lfs. Then just: `git clone https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1 `

You probably want the GGUF versions, though, which are the ones you can actually run on reasonable hardware.

Full R1 version here: https://huggingface.co/unsloth/DeepSeek-R1-GGUF/tree/main/De...

Various smaller versions: https://huggingface.co/unsloth/DeepSeek-R1-GGUF/tree/main

There is also a 'BF16' version on that page with 16-bit weights, but I don't understand what it is or where it came from, given that the original model is FP8-native.

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Post by dzonga »

monetus wrote: post #6

It is useful context for people who aren't American to know how ridiculous Josh Hawley is, and has always been. The current authoritarian chaos could lend some weight to the possibility that this becomes law, but it is still unlikely.

is he ? he's a pretty smart guy - with tyrant tendencies. he is toe dipping to see what he can push through. with how things are going he might be up next to be the next extremist president.

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Post by gnkyfrg »

davidw wrote: post #31
9283409232 wrote: post #3

> The Republican Senator from Missouri Josh Hawley has introduced a new bill that would make it illegal to import or export artificial intelligence products to and from China, meaning someone who knowingly downloads a Chinese developed AI model like the now immensely popular DeepSeek could face up to 20 years in jail, a million dollar fine, or both, should such a law pass. You get less jail time for committing 34 fel…

You get less jail time for an insurrection aimed at overthrowing a free and fair election and beating the shit out of cops while doing so.

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