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“There’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there’s usually only one thing you can do.”
Inconceivable!
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Apple is open sourcing Swift Build
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Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build
#222i'd love to be able to build web servers in Swift. the language is such a joy to use
Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build
#223Swift itself is a great piece of tech. But it is doomed to fail as a general widely adopted language unless apple makes few critical moves including open sourcing everything including XCode, providing support for 3d party IDE developers (because xcode is terrible), creating decent package manager, adopting testing as first class citizen etc. There is just no economical sense for anyone to invest in swift until all th…
It’s written Xcode.
Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build
#224Swift itself is a great piece of tech. But it is doomed to fail as a general widely adopted language unless apple makes few critical moves including open sourcing everything including XCode, providing support for 3d party IDE developers (because xcode is terrible), creating decent package manager, adopting testing as first class citizen etc. There is just no economical sense for anyone to invest in swift until all th…
And make it possible to run binaries on macOS/iOS etc without a mandatory subscription and US export controls. Without notarisation, anything made with Swift is practically unusable on Apple OSs
Nor with any other language. What’s the point here?
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#225Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build
#226The goal for Swift should (and seems) to be to gradually separate itself from XCode, which is holding it back from its ambitions. XCode has been compared to many things, but at 3.1 stars on the App store, one must find that it is still slightly overrated.
It’s Xcode.
Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build
#227i'd love to be able to build web servers in Swift. the language is such a joy to use
You already can.
Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build
#228Does this open a path to Swift development without Xcode? Recent discussion of Xcode, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42803290
This article is completely wrong. I actually did what the author complained was impossible to do.
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Did something happen with Xcode? I used it around 5 years ago, and it was pretty good and fast. I don't think it had dark mode but that's not too important to me.
No refactoring tools, lack of autocomplete, having multiple targets break compilation, errors in the ui, crashes running unit tests, it freaks out when switching git branches, spm can’t handle proxy servers, never ending indexing… List goes on and on. Xcode used to be good at around version 3. Everything that came after that has been disastrous. Meanwhile Android Studio or VS Syudio are tools which are a joy to use a…
I hate the other IDEs tbh
Yeah Xcode has its quirks but so does everything else. Nothing is perfect in this world.
What actually bothers me is Apple is now apparently trying to copy other IDEs (poorly) and making theirs worse for it. E.g. the new commit view which is an atrocity. They had something buggy yes, but at least decent. Now they have something buggy AND with a terrible UX.
Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build
#230Does this open a path to Swift development without Xcode? Recent discussion of Xcode, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42803290
This article is completely wrong. I actually did what the author complained was impossible to do.
The article was wrong, but it motivated 100 comments about various issues with Xcode.