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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by pmarreck »

CalRobert wrote: post #5

This is part of a broader rolling catastrophe. Musk is evidently seizing control of the Office of Personnel Management https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-01-31/exclus... Nasa took down their applied sciences page and is evidently scrubbing the data https://www.reddit.com/r/gis/comments/1icqchv/why_is_the_nas... ( https://appliedsciences.nasa.gov/ ) Lots of other data sets are disappearing too: https://ma…

I hate to sound like a conventional cis-man, but this is exactly the sort of situation where conventional cis-man energy is needed:

Where are the CDC people growing a spine to stand up to this? This is obviously bad.

The reason why bullies only understand 1 language (force) is exactly why counter-bullies who also speak that language are needed. And these are (usually) men (and some smaller percentage of women). (I'm seriously not trying to genderize this. I'm speaking of "fighting/disobeying/confronting energy" instead of "nurturing/complying/keeping-copacetic energy". Anyone who's good at that, should exercise it.)

If you have to take good science to the darknet, then fucking do so. That's what it's there for.

"The [Dark]Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore.

Alternately, move the data hosting to Switzerland, Iceland, or the Netherlands as a data-haven. Hetzner might be OK too, since very-left-wing Germany (while it has an agreement to comply with legal MLAT requests) might savor the opportunity to snub Trumpian requests or stall them indefinitely due to lack of obvious national-security importance.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by Xunjin »

nimbius wrote: post #35
hypeatei wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would just like to point out that Musk is the richest man in the world and is now directing critical areas of the U.S. government. Surely he doesn't have ulterior motives and is looking out for the average person?

If you look back at Germany in the 19th century, nations like Prussia and Austria had this sort of power struggle between the merchant class and the nobility at the advent of steam power. in this case the de-facto US nobility (rank-and-file career politicians) are being usurped by the bourgeouise (billionaires like Musk) at the advent of AI and tech by promising the working class a combination of culture war policy a…

Looking at the human nature while interacts with Capitalism, looks like they will try to concentrate it.

I found it shameful that we hold so much a power hungry war while however as Memento Mori teach us, the only certainty is death, and that power is simply gone.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by TiredOfLife »

dylan604 wrote: post #146
paulyy_y wrote: post #13

What's more depressing is this was completely predictable, totally avoidable, but half the country welcomed this wave of oppression with open arms.

Can we please stop this bit of misinformation? Trump: 77,168,458 votes (49.9%) https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/RESULTS/zjpqne... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/president-re... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/... More people voted for Trump, but it wasn't half the country. There were a lot of people that did not vote at all. The most accurate would be to say t…

Those that can vote, but don't, don't count.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by Xunjin »

chinathrow wrote: post #165
CalRobert wrote: post #5

This is part of a broader rolling catastrophe. Musk is evidently seizing control of the Office of Personnel Management https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-01-31/exclus... Nasa took down their applied sciences page and is evidently scrubbing the data https://www.reddit.com/r/gis/comments/1icqchv/why_is_the_nas... ( https://appliedsciences.nasa.gov/ ) Lots of other data sets are disappearing too: https://ma…

At this point, being a Musk supporter is nothing to be proud of.

Indeed it is, but maybe is time that we detach a person from their proposals. I wonder how that would be achieved.

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Post by [deleted] »

somename9 wrote: post #206
hypeatei wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those lists exclude royalty and other individuals who do not want the extra publicity What individual(s)? You just mentioned a family and not an individual. Forbes lists Elon's net worth at $419 billion.

David de Rothschild. The family has lent money to governments and royalty for centuries. You’re not going to find his accurate net worth on Forbes. Also, any king or dictator effectively owns their nation’s entire treasury, including all real estate. Maduro, for example, is wealthier than Musk.

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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by yareally »

fabian2k wrote: post #6

This does not only affect the obvious ideological targets of purging any mention of DEI or gender. One section that is missing seems to be the official vaccine recommendations. Go to the ACIP page ( https://www.cdc.gov/acip/ ) and click on the "Vaccine-specific recommendations". Other affected topics are HIV prevention, birth control/contraception, domestic violence and probably many more.

They look up to me (as of 1pm EST)

https://www.cdc.gov/acip-recs/hcp/vaccine-specific/index.htm...

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Post by maeil »

Maxious wrote: post #85
bmitc wrote: post #73

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How is this not all illegal? How are cease and resists not being put into place? An illegal immigrant, narcissist, billionaire, and many other things is taking over federal agencies and actively purging them for his own ideologies.

Anything the president does is legal so says the supreme court

I'm surprised that this was not given more attention, despite how much it was given, it should have gotten orders of magnitudes more.

In the US, you can fly multiple planes into skyscrapers, rape three whole kindergartens, and lynch an entire race to extermination. As long as you then win the next election before you get convicted, you're in the clear.

This is the United States of America.

Vulgar examples? The bare minimum necessary to make people remotely feel the severity in their bones. Problem is that no one dares to say them out loud in fear of their reputation, despite it being a good thing to do.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by galangalalgol »

Dalewyn wrote: post #194
antman wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you have no reality filter to alert you on the condoms claim?

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I like minimal government too. It has a few necessary roles, and foreign aid isn't one. Why are we recognizing that with Ukraine, and Mozambique but not Israel? Keeping the free market working by trust-bustingbis one too. I welcome a true house cleaning, but we are just trading regulatory capture for unregulated corruption. You wanted the land of do as you please, but got the land of do as they please. This is just an authoritarian power grab under the guise of renewal. I could be wrong, but as others have said, the proof will be in how the response to legal challenges to the house cleaning go. If they are ignored or rubber stamped by the scotus no matter how obviously they violate the law, then we know I am right. If some of the move fast and break things gets stopped by the scotus, or the admin backs down when things get challenged as illegal, then maybe this is exactly what we needed. I am not hopeful.

Edit: I think I was being disingenuous about foreign aid, sometimes foreign aid can be necessary to protect the well-being of US citizens. Stopping pandemics early or preventing them. Standing by a treaty so people know our word is good. Maintaining access to a resource our economy depends on etc. I just find it telling that the only foreign aid that was exempted was to Israel.

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Post by belter »

nimbius wrote: post #35
hypeatei wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would just like to point out that Musk is the richest man in the world and is now directing critical areas of the U.S. government. Surely he doesn't have ulterior motives and is looking out for the average person?

If you look back at Germany in the 19th century, nations like Prussia and Austria had this sort of power struggle between the merchant class and the nobility at the advent of steam power. in this case the de-facto US nobility (rank-and-file career politicians) are being usurped by the bourgeouise (billionaires like Musk) at the advent of AI and tech by promising the working class a combination of culture war policy a…

“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives.

They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”

  ― George Orwell, 1984

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by vharuck »

Dalewyn wrote: post #194
antman wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you have no reality filter to alert you on the condoms claim?

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In 2024, US companies exported $137.8 million to Mozambique, and imported $201.7 million from that country[0]. If that country were crippled by a healthcare crisis, that's less business for companies in the US and other countries that also deal with the US. Supply chains, interconnectedness, and all that. It also helps to have allies across the world. Allies who have close ties with our health agencies, and might tell us about potential outbreaks of infectious diseases. Or terrorist organizations. Also, have you noticed terrorists mostly come from countries with shattered economies and weak governments? Not to mention that STDs are contagious and don't stay home when the host travels internationally.

International politics is complicated. Anyone who shows you a single line item without context is deceiving you. Especially if the number is related to sex and a disease associated with promiscuity. That's a red flag. Their stats may be true, but their stated goal isn't.

[0]: https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c7870.html

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