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Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by gonzobonzo »

Dalewyn wrote: post #197
dmix wrote: post #157

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Look at the top thread with 50 comments and count how many are discussing tuberculosis in America. It's just another starting off point for everyone to go in a hundred directions ranting about US politics and ignore the topic

The thread is about a tuberculosis outbreak in the US. Subsequent comments include conversations about a US federal government department agency publishing (or not) data on that outbreak. This is all taking place on an online forum hosted in the US and managed by US entities. And you (and like minded individuals) expect to not see US politics? I appreciate that the US has an outsized presence on the intertubez, but y…

You can read the MMWR reports, the OP linked to them: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/index.html

The ones that were published in the weeks prior to the current administration weren't talking about the Kansas tuberculosis outbreak either.

So we're not really discussing the "US federal government department agency publishing (or not) data on that outbreak." Someone's implying that's what happened, and then people are spinning off into political discussions without even looking into the link they provided to see if that was actually the case.

It's not just going off topic to discuss politics. People are actively spreading misinformation to justify going off topic to discuss politics, and lots of other people are joining in without bothering to check if what was claimed is actually true. Two-thirds of the comments now are using the claims about the MMWR to discuss politics, and it doesn't look like anyone actually looked at the MMWR to see what it actually is.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by hedora »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #209
zzzeek wrote: post #186

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The US pandemic response team that Trump fired included a significant presence working onsite in China https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-us-slashed-c...

I hit the paywall. But if this is about the same thing I’m thinking of, one reason to be careful about the work China’s CDC was doing (at times with visiting staff from the US) is they were one (among many) source of lab leaks of SARSv1: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7096887/

This was the US working in China, with the government’s permission. It was an international task force that was operated by the US govt.

Also, if look up biological weapons research papers from Wuhan, you’ll find that many were done in collaboration with the US, and with US funding.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by khazhoux »

behringer wrote: post #204
khazhoux wrote: post #154

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Nope, those people don't count. You may as well point out that 89.7M dogs didn't vote for Trump. The majority of people wanted this.

They absolutely count. The fact that you don't think so, says more about you than about them.

How can someone who couldn't be bothered to vote possibly count in a discussion of how many people support this administration? Putting aside people who were unable to vote, everyone who chose not to, absolutely 100% gave up their relevance in terms of what the people want. They took themselves out of the equation.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by _yb2s »

mulmen wrote: post #214
_yb2s wrote: post #149

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I’m an academic scientist part of a really large government funded research grant that employs hundreds of people. Last time, we had to fire half our staff immediately right up front because they said they were cutting our funding. They ended up not cutting our funding at all, but we had already fired everyone so it was lose lose- the Government spent the money but the research couldn’t be done. Just plain bad leader…

Sounds like bad leadership on the part of your project. To outsiders that don’t understand the details why fire people before the actual budget cuts?

It was the policy of the granting federal agency- it was not our choice, we had to immediately start operating on the president's proposed low budget in case it were to pass, rather than spend money that might never exist.

This happened because Trump's administration essentially copy and pasted Heritage Foundation materials rather than carefully think through a realistic budget.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by khazhoux »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #192
khazhoux wrote: post #116

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The people that didn't vote don't count, figuratively or literally. You may as well have pointed out that only .1% of all mammals supported this, after accounting for dogs, cows, raccoons, mice...

Yes, they absolutely do. There's a big difference between a country that has 50% support of a person and 25% support of a person.

Everyone who chose not to vote effectively removed themselves from the set of people to be counted as either supporting or not supporting this administration.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by [deleted] »

jltsiren wrote: post #140
api wrote: post #63

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What is the supposed rationale for this? Or is this just a general ideological purge of the government? This is going to be a crazy four years, if it’s only four.

It could be ideological, or it could be a common mistake people with a business background make in the government. For the average for-profit company, the actual business the company does has no value beyond its ability to generate profits. The damage a disruption causes today can always be offset with higher expected profits in the future. But for many government departments, the day-to-day business is the entire po…

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Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by Dalewyn »

gonzobonzo wrote: post #221
Dalewyn wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thread is about a tuberculosis outbreak in the US. Subsequent comments include conversations about a US federal government department agency publishing (or not) data on that outbreak. This is all taking place on an online forum hosted in the US and managed by US entities. And you (and like minded individuals) expect to not see US politics? I appreciate that the US has an outsized presence on the intertubez, but y…

You can read the MMWR reports, the OP linked to them: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/index.html The ones that were published in the weeks prior to the current administration weren't talking about the Kansas tuberculosis outbreak either. So we're not really discussing the "US federal government department agency publishing (or not) data on that outbreak." Someone's implying that's what happened, and then people are spinning…

I at least didn't read any of the links because I couldn't care less beyond seeing what everyone was talking about in a thread about tuberculosis in the US.

My point still stands that if someone doesn't want to see conversations regarding the US, politics or otherwise, maybe he should stay out of threads regarding the US and maybe also find other forums not hosted in America and managed by Americans where the vast majority of participants will be Americans.

It's like taking a trip to Mars and complaining that all the dirt is red, y'know?

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by macinjosh »

api wrote: post #63
malfist wrote: post #44

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They were ordered to halt all publications, cancel trainings and not communicate with state health departments

What is the supposed rationale for this? Or is this just a general ideological purge of the government? This is going to be a crazy four years, if it’s only four.

The freeze will be lifted once RFK Jr. is approved by the Senate. The purpose is to stop progressive ideologues in the agencies from doing things in protest of their new boss.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by tzs »

School-Cotton wrote: post #148
hedora wrote: post #81

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Cutting resources often is the root cause for an outbreak. - SARSv2 (aka Covid-19) happened after Trump disbanded the team that contained SARSv1. - During COVID, the west suspended polio vaccination programs in developing regions, so now polio outbreaks are a thing again. - Antivaxxers in NYC caused a massive measles outbreak a few years ago. Etc, etc.

Covid was spreading in many countries before the US. Off the top of my head I remember China, Korea, Italy and Spain. And no country of significant size avoided it, regardless of whether they were led by Trump or not.

I don't know if any of these would count as being significantly sized, but Japan, Australia, and South Korea handled it a lot better than the US [1] when it comes to deaths per 100k. Interestingly, Australia and South Korea did have more cases per 100k than the US[2].

[1] https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countr...

[2] https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countr...

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