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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by ipnon »

woooooo wrote: post #150
halflife wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entirety of Hamas leadership is gone, Hamas will most likely not going to have control in Gaza (still being debated which mechanism will govern, this is part of the deal), the crossing to Egypt will be handled by foreign countries which will prevent weapon smuggling. And in the broader spectrum, hizballah is not more, Assad is no more, all of Iran’s proxies can no longer support Hamas’ ambitions which basically m…

You still have millions of people in Gaza and Lebanon who got bombed by Israel. Whether it's the existing groups or new groups going forward, the grievances are still there and bigger than ever. Let's wait a few before we declare anything changed.

All of my Lebanese friends, quite young, have stories about the wars with Israel. The helicopters and bombs over Beirut. Waking up in fear in the night. They have been grieved in regards to Israel their whole life. In this respect not much has changed.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by boringg »

xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

While this is a good development. Everything in this part of the world is on a rinse snd repeat cycle ever since the Assyrians and the Babylonians - it hasn't changed much except maybe its actually a little more humane then it was in the past (which says something). Sorry for the cynical take but this just does a temporary stop.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by tdeck »

ars wrote: post #137
dgfitz wrote: post #127

I have never seen so many downvoted comments that aren’t dead in a thread before. If anyone had examples of other threads of this ilk I’d be curious to see them. I’m completely ignorant as to the public sentiment on this topic, no social media besides this site.

You will see it in any thread about Israel or Jews. Tons of flagged and downvoted posts. I emailed hn about it. Unlike those highly motivated people, normal people don't spend time upvoting and vouching, so you end up with a tattered mess of a thread.

> or Jews

Any example of this that isn't Israel related?

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by gruez »

vFunct wrote: post #138
gruez wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>due to literal IDF agents running newsrooms across the country source? >Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the guys Are you missing a word here? Or is this intentional?

The NYTimes widely referenced but debunked story “Screams without words” about alleged rapes on October 7 was co-authored by a literal IDF intelligence agent. Also the Atlantic Editor-in-Chief is IDF. More importantly, why are there so few Muslim newsroom editors and reporters jn the US media vs Jewish editors and reporters? Polls immediately after Oct 7 showed college students support Hamas more than Israel, and tha…

>The NYTimes widely referenced but debunked story “Screams without words” about alleged rapes on October 7 was co-authored by a literal IDF intelligence agent.

Are you talking about Anat Schwartz? Based on her wikipedia article she served in the "Israeli Air Force intelligence division" at some point, but not when she wrote the article. I guess this technically counts as "literal IDF intelligence agent", but is at least somewhat misleading. You wouldn't call American journalist in his 40s "a Marine", just because he did a tour of duty in his 20s.

> Also the Atlantic Editor-in-Chief is IDF.

Same issue as above.

>Polls immediately after Oct 7 showed college students support Hamas more than Israel, and that’s before a year of live-streamed genocide

This isn't the same as "Hamas are the good guys". Specifically, not every conflict must have a "good guy" and a "bad guy". I don't support US's invasion of Iraq, but that doesn't make Saddam Hussein the good guy. Likewise, me thinking Saddam Hussein is a tyrant doesn't make the US the good guy for invading Iraq.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by kamikazeturtles »

Aunche wrote: post #76
verdverm wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel has likely also created multiple generations of anger and hate against themselves. They may have reduced the likelihood of another Oct 7 in the near term, but 50 years is not something I would count on

There are multiple generations of hate in the West Bank as well. Israel isn't threaten by them as much as they have much more difficulty accumulating weapons.

Are the Palestinians in the West Bank supposed to love their armed illegal settler neighbors?

It feels like almost ever day that I see a video of a Palestinian's home in the West Bank being demolished or a Palestinian family being harassed by armed settlers

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by dlubarov »

vFunct wrote: post #138
gruez wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>due to literal IDF agents running newsrooms across the country source? >Polls showing people now recognizing Israel are the bad guys and Hamas are the guys Are you missing a word here? Or is this intentional?

The NYTimes widely referenced but debunked story “Screams without words” about alleged rapes on October 7 was co-authored by a literal IDF intelligence agent. Also the Atlantic Editor-in-Chief is IDF. More importantly, why are there so few Muslim newsroom editors and reporters jn the US media vs Jewish editors and reporters? Polls immediately after Oct 7 showed college students support Hamas more than Israel, and tha…

It's a stretch to call Screams Without Words debunked. There were fierce attempts to poke holes in it and frame it as debunked, but no real evidence of any inaccuracies. The NYT stands by it: "We remain confident in the accuracy of our reporting and stand by the team’s investigation which was rigorously reported, sourced and edited."
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