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Meta announces 5% cuts in preparation for 'intense year'

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Re: Meta announces 5% cuts in preparation for 'intense year'

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Yeah 5% is a very weird number. Why not just stop over hiring?

The goal is to replace that 5% with new hires, resulting in higher average performance. It has nothing to do with total hiring amount.

... and correspondingly lower salaries.

Re: Meta announces 5% cuts in preparation for 'intense year'

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When I was an engineering manager there, engineering leadership described performance reviews as, in a large well run engineering organization, you'll probably be firing 5-10% of your employees every year for low performance. (Well, "non regrettable attrition", which includes people who quit when they get pipped.) Lower than 5% at scale would be a red flag, not necessarily wrong, you don't want to "stack rank" with a…

What's noteworthy is that there isn't going to be a PIP process this year. The day the review cycle is over the bottom 5% of employees will be shown the door.

Re: Meta announces 5% cuts in preparation for 'intense year'

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post #73

When I was an engineering manager there, engineering leadership described performance reviews as, in a large well run engineering organization, you'll probably be firing 5-10% of your employees every year for low performance. (Well, "non regrettable attrition", which includes people who quit when they get pipped.) Lower than 5% at scale would be a red flag, not necessarily wrong, you don't want to "stack rank" with a…

Canadian tycoon Jim Pattison (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Pattison) was known for firing the lowest performing car salesman each month.

Re: Meta announces 5% cuts in preparation for 'intense year'

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That wouldn't require a quota (5%) nor an announcement.

I’m amazed at how some engineers cheer for layoffs thinking they’re safe. The naivety really is something to behold. Or maybe they’re bots. Unclear.

Nobody here is cheering. Layoffs suck too.

Re: Meta announces 5% cuts in preparation for 'intense year'

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post #73

When I was an engineering manager there, engineering leadership described performance reviews as, in a large well run engineering organization, you'll probably be firing 5-10% of your employees every year for low performance. (Well, "non regrettable attrition", which includes people who quit when they get pipped.) Lower than 5% at scale would be a red flag, not necessarily wrong, you don't want to "stack rank" with a…

Why? Why set an arbitrary number of people who need to be fired as opposed to grading people to a standard? Is your hiring process so flawed that you just accept that you screwed up hiring 5 percent of your people? This smells like the Welchian nonsense that drove GE into the ground.

If you are in growth mode, say 20% growth or more -- and you are hiring quickly, your probably gonna have new dynamics form that change the shape of the team (Every hire changes the culture). Some folks may no longer be the right folks. (Could even be a new hire -- I had someone who I had high hopes for leave in 9 months because they weren't able to mesh.)

Businesses are people but business is cogs. (In both senses of the word)

To be a manager in a large org, you need to constantly be refocusing the team on the goal. Drift happens. When you have 100 brains, you get 100 ideas.

This "rule of thumb" reason is to make sure leaders are not languishing. It's very easy to see the people, and lose sight of the business goal.

Are all 100 people aligned and driving towards the goal? (If so, amazing and you should fight to keep all of them.)

Re: Meta announces 5% cuts in preparation for 'intense year'

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post #73

When I was an engineering manager there, engineering leadership described performance reviews as, in a large well run engineering organization, you'll probably be firing 5-10% of your employees every year for low performance. (Well, "non regrettable attrition", which includes people who quit when they get pipped.) Lower than 5% at scale would be a red flag, not necessarily wrong, you don't want to "stack rank" with a…

> But this doesn't really seem like it's very far away from normal practices.

I think the difference is that they'll get rid of the PIP and fire people straight away.

Re: Meta announces 5% cuts in preparation for 'intense year'

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post #94
post #73

When I was an engineering manager there, engineering leadership described performance reviews as, in a large well run engineering organization, you'll probably be firing 5-10% of your employees every year for low performance. (Well, "non regrettable attrition", which includes people who quit when they get pipped.) Lower than 5% at scale would be a red flag, not necessarily wrong, you don't want to "stack rank" with a…

Yeah 5% is a very weird number. Why not just stop over hiring?

I'm confused. The article specifically states that Meta cut 25% of its workforce since 2022 (that's not counting the 5% that are being reported). What overhiring?

Re: Meta announces 5% cuts in preparation for 'intense year'

#228
post #73

When I was an engineering manager there, engineering leadership described performance reviews as, in a large well run engineering organization, you'll probably be firing 5-10% of your employees every year for low performance. (Well, "non regrettable attrition", which includes people who quit when they get pipped.) Lower than 5% at scale would be a red flag, not necessarily wrong, you don't want to "stack rank" with a…

Why? Why set an arbitrary number of people who need to be fired as opposed to grading people to a standard? Is your hiring process so flawed that you just accept that you screwed up hiring 5 percent of your people? This smells like the Welchian nonsense that drove GE into the ground.

Statistically speaking there will be a few percent of bad hires and people whose skills don't match the requirements. Arguably, they could detect that during probation period, possibly extending probation period needed. That's how it's done in more progressist european countries. It gets harder to fire people after that.

Note that they also routinely fire perfectly capable people, who exceeded expectations for many years in a row and just had one bad year (sometimes after a team change or a promotion).

Re: Meta announces 5% cuts in preparation for 'intense year'

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Freedom of speech is a liberal concept, the application of “liberal” as a derogatory term for one side of the political spectrum was a propaganda move. Don’t give in to it. The current pivot, I think, is mostly that culture warriors have managed to describe their interest in liberal terms (freedom of speech), and social media companies are buying it (gets them out of moderation duty and lets them reduce headcount). T…

Exactly, and expecting every position needs to be clubbed together as left or right wing is also a big issue. eg I am politically liberal on most of the issues, but if I mention one thing for which I am not on their camp I suddenly become far right.

Really kinda depends on what that one thing is though don't you think.

Re: Meta announces 5% cuts in preparation for 'intense year'

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post #73

When I was an engineering manager there, engineering leadership described performance reviews as, in a large well run engineering organization, you'll probably be firing 5-10% of your employees every year for low performance. (Well, "non regrettable attrition", which includes people who quit when they get pipped.) Lower than 5% at scale would be a red flag, not necessarily wrong, you don't want to "stack rank" with a…

Isn't this quite paradoxical that those kind of companies have hard interviews where you have to almost prove that P=NP in front of 5 people that judges everything you do, yet they fire engineer because "ratio"? Could this lead to a manager that tries to have the best team for himself will always include average employees that they can easily fire?

> Isn't this quite paradoxical that those kind of companies have hard interviews where you have to almost prove that P=NP in front of 5 people that judges everything you do

Interview process at Meta isn't that hard. Mostly medium leetcode questions (in front of single interviewer), not particularly tricky. With enough preparation, it's doable by any reasonably good undergrad. Google was slightly harder though. Similarly, system design can be prepared.

The hardest part is to get the interview in the first place. But if you do, it's just a matter of preparation. You want to be able to nail these questions.

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