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Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by Wololooo »

steelframe wrote: post #201
logicalfails wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting a 3080 FE (I also had the option to get the 3090 FE) at the height of pandemic demand required me sleeping outside a Best Buy with 50 other random souls on a wednesday night.

At that time I ended up just buying a gaming PC packaged with the card. I find it's generally worth it to upgrade all the components of the system along with the GPU every 3 years or so.

This goes at a significant premium for on average OEM parts that are subpar. Buying individually yields much better results and these days it's less of a hassle than it used to.

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Post by pragmar »

ks2048 wrote: post #199
datadrivenangel wrote: post #196

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Nvidia uses resellers as distributors. Helps build out a locked in ecosystem.

How does that help "build out a locked in ecosystem"? Again, comparing to Apple: they have a very locked-in ecosystem.

Apple locks users in with software/services. nVidia locks in add-in board manufacturers with exclusive arrangements and partner programs that tie access to chips to contracts that prioritize nVidia. It happens upstream of the consumer. It's always a matter of degree with this stuff as to where it becomes anti-trust, but in this case it's overt enough for governments to take notice.

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Post by ggregoire »

ks2048 wrote: post #192

This is maybe a dumb question, but why is it so hard to buy Nvidia GPUs? I can understand lack of supply, but why can't I go on nvidia.com and buy something the same way I go on apple.com and buy hardware? I'm looking for GPUs and navigating all these different resellers with wildly different prices and confusing names (on top of the already confusing set of available cards).

I read your question and thought to myself "why is it so hard to buy a Steamdeck"? Available only in like 10 countries. Seems like the opposite problem, Valve doesn't use resellers but they can't handle international manufacturing/shipping themselves? At least I can get a Nvidia GPU anytime I want from Amazon, BestBuy or whatever.

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Post by Havoc »

ActionHank wrote: post #191
blixt wrote: post #156

Pretty interesting watching their tech explainers on YouTube about the changes in their AI solutions. Apparently they switched from CNNs to transformers for upscaling (with ray tracing support) if I understood correctly though for frame generation makes even more sense to me. 32 GB VRAM on the highest end GPU seems almost small after running LLMs with 128 GB RAM on the M3 Max, but the speed will most likely more than…

They are intentionally keeping the VRAM small on these cards to force people to buy their larger, more expensive offerings.

Saw someone else point out that potentially the culprit here isn’t nvidia but memory makers. It’s still 2gb per chip and has been since forever

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Post by devmor »

infecto wrote: post #215
SirMaster wrote: post #213

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They still make reference founders editions. They sell them at Best Buy though, not directly.

Reference cards make up the vast minority of cards for a specific generation though. I looked for numbers and could not find them but they tend to be the Goldilocks of cards if you can grab one because they sell at msrp IIRC.

Yep, I scored a 3070 Founder's at launch and was very lucky, watching other people pay up to the MSRP of the 3090 to get one from elsewhere.

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Post by nsteel »

ryao wrote: post #74
friedtofu wrote: post #62

As a lifelong nvidia consumer, I think it's a safe bet to ride out the first wave of 5xxx series GPUs and wait for the inevitable 5080/5070 (GT/Ti/Super/whatever) that should release a few months after with similar specs and better performance based on whatever the complaints surrounding the initial GPUs lacked. I would expect something like the 5080 super will have something like 20/24Gb of VRAM. 16Gb just seems wro…

They could have used 32Gbps GDDR7 to push memory bandwidth on the 5090 to 2.0TB/sec. Instead, they left some performance on the table. I wonder if they have some compute cores disabled too. They are likely leaving room for a 5090 Ti follow-up.

Maybe they wanted some thermal/power headroom. It's already pretty mad.

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Post by Havoc »

lemoncookiechip wrote: post #159

I have a feeling regular consumers will have trouble buying 5090s. RTX 5090: 32 GB GDDR7, ~1.8 TB/s bandwidth. H100 (SXM5): 80 GB HBM3, ~3+ TB/s bandwidth. RTX 5090: ~318 TFLOPS in ray tracing, ~3,352 AI TOPS. H100: Optimized for matrix and tensor computations, with ~1,000 TFLOPS for AI workloads (using Tensor Cores). RTX 5090: 575W, higher for enthusiast-class performance. H100 (PCIe): 350W, efficient for data cente…

> regular consumers will have trouble buying 5090s.

They’re not really supposed to either judging by how they priced this. For non AI uses the 5080 is infinitely better positioned

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Post by sliken »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #188
sliken wrote: post #122

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I believe the cards that are intended for compute instead of GPU default to ECC being on and report memory performance with the overheads included.

Anything with DDR5 or above has built in limited ECC... it's required by the spec. https://www.corsair.com/us/en/explorer/diy-builder/memory/is...

Sure, but it's very limited. It doesn't detect or fix errors in the dimm (outside the chips), motherboard traces, CPU socket, or CPU.

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Post by agloe_dreams »

wruza wrote: post #151
jsheard wrote: post #4

32GB of GDDR7 at 1.8TB/sec for $2000, best of luck to the gamers trying to buy one of those while AI people are buying them by the truckload. Presumably the pro hardware based on the same silicon will have 64GB, they usually double whatever the gaming cards have.

Why do you need one of those as a gamer? 1080ti was 120+ fps in heavy realistic looking games. 20xx RT slashed that back to 15 fps, but is RT really necessary to play games? Who cares about real-world reflections? And reviews showed that RT+DLSS introduced so many artefacts sometimes that the realism argument seemed absurd. Any modern card under $1000 is more than enough for graphics in virtually all games. The gamin…

A bunch of new games are RT-only. Nvidia has aggressively marketed on the idea that RT, FG, and DLSS are "must haves" in game engines and that 'raster is the past'. Resolution is also a big jump. 4K 120Hz in HDR is rapidly becoming common and the displays are almost affordable (esp. so for TV-based gaming). In fact, as of today, Even the very fastest RTX 4090 cannot run CP2077 at max non-RT settings and 4K at 120fps.

Now, I do agree that $1000 is plenty for 95% of gamers, but for those who want the best, Nvidia is pretty clearly holding out intentionally. The gap between a 4080TI and a 4090 is GIANT. Check this great comparison from Tom's Hardware: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/BAGV2GBMHHE4gkb7ZzTxwK-120...

The biggest next-up offering leap on the chart is 4090.

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