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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by SoftTalker »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #187
SoftTalker wrote: post #155

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I should probably sit down and do the math on elecricity vs. gas and the payback time, but for reference I am something of a bottom-feeder when it comes to cars. I have pretty good success with used ICE cars in the $4-6k range. I look for southern cars with no rust/salt damage. They are out there, but you won't find them on Carvana. My current daily driver is a 20 year old Mercedes E class that I bought for $4k. It's…

40 miles is about 10kWh, yes, which would be 11.5kWh at the meter. I pay 7cents/kWh, so you're paying about 10X per mile as I am for fuel. I've driven old BMW's, and I had to budget about $3k/year for maintenance & repairs, I imagine your Merc is similar. So you're spending $400/month for your "cheap" car. A 3 year old Tesla for 20K would likely save you a considerable amount of money.

I do my own maintenance and repair and don't spend anything close to that (not counting my time, but it's a hobby for me). Insurance and registration is also cheaper.

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Post by more_corn »

xiphias2 wrote: post #76
SoftTalker wrote: post #39

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I think it's more simply that the market of people who want an EV and can afford a Tesla is now saturated.

BYD is continuing what Tesla started: getting cheaper while scaling up battery and car production. The market is there for worse and much cheaper electric cars, just not mainly in US.

There are at least four other competing Chinese electric car companies. Let’s not forget them, the rest of the world won’t.

The cars are actually quite nice. I have no complaints. It’s possible that maintenance issues will emerge later, but that has already happened for Tesla. At this point we can’t claim they’re lower quality.

The US market is there for a cheap, nice electric car. Tariffs make it untenable.

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Post by bearjaws »

r00fus wrote: post #146
bearjaws wrote: post #87

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It does not go down to 15kw. At old Tesla stations it went from 150kw to 75kw. Any v3 station (first introduced in 2019!) will stay at 150kw to 250kw. I haven't seen a v2 station in 2 years now. You also don't need a battery based on its age, you need it based on its mileage. Some people like my wife only drive 8k miles a year, which is more around 20 years...

If your EV battery isn't pre-conditioned for cold driving, it can and will get down to low double digits. That said, it's only an issue in winter and colder climes.

OPs comment says - if theres too many cars it goes down to 15kw.

That has nothing to do with conditioning.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

archagon wrote: post #196
benjaminwootton wrote: post #43

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I'm not really anti Elon, in fact I agree with a lot of what he says, but I just cannot get over that paedo comment. That said a lot about his character.

He also recently called for the execution of a government witness: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... The mask is completely off at this point.

Disturbing as hell. I'd never heard this before.

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Post by bilvar »

dang wrote: post #139
bilvar wrote: post #26

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly—not just in this thread, but in many threads, e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42058962 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41853161 . We have to ban account that post like this, so if you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when…

I wish you were that meticulous with your ideological brethren as well. You don't have to ban anyone, you simply choose to ban people based on your personal preferences and/or which side of the bed you woke up today. And that's alright as this is a privately owned site, but stop with the hypocrisy please.

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Post by bilvar »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #30
bilvar wrote: post #13

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When did Musk say that EVs are trash?

> When did Musk say that EVs are trash? Politics is transitive. What Musk says is less relevant than what he does; what he's done is given anti-EV interests power. (In exchange for gaining his own.)

That's rather an expansive and imaginative interpretation of the facts at hand.

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Post by bdangubic »

fckgw wrote: post #33
sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

I just think they're bad cars. The "minimalist interior" is just a way to cheap out on features and they're not built that great. Hyundai or Rivian have some great EV offerings for same price or cheaper.

this is blantantly false. you cannot sell this many “bad” cars to start with. people can say whatever they want about elon politically or otherwise but the cars themselves are fucking awesome. and not only that, the supercharger network takes all the anxiety of owning ANY OTHER EV completely out of the equation. my wife has a non-Tesla EV and every longer trip basically is a project where she needs to prepare for where she will stop, what she will do if there are 11 cars waiting there (happened before)… I drive a 2014 Tesla S and the last thing on my mind (even with a battery which is now at like 90%) is where I will charge the car. would not take rivian if someone gave it to me for free and same with hyundai. even luxury-side EVs (Audi eTron, BMW i7…) can’t hold water to Tesla (and number of cars sold tells a simple story…)

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Post by junto »

Good. Musk has aligned himself with a number of people that have designs on forcing Europe’s hand to abandon Ukraine and make a strong return to Russian gas and Saudi oil. Russia and the oil rich Middle East have no desire to see an energy independent Europe powered by renewables and long term battery storage.

He could be busy further developing battery technology to further enable decarbonization and energy decentralization based on renewables.

Having founded an EV company, you’d think that would be a core value he would hold, however everything he currently signals speak to the opposite.

I cannot fathom why on earth he now seems to be working against himself, and alienating his core customer base, who were most likely to buy EV’s — green, liberal, “woke”, left leaning consumers.

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Post by bdangubic »

mbesto wrote: post #97
bearjaws wrote: post #87

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It does not go down to 15kw. At old Tesla stations it went from 150kw to 75kw. Any v3 station (first introduced in 2019!) will stay at 150kw to 250kw. I haven't seen a v2 station in 2 years now. You also don't need a battery based on its age, you need it based on its mileage. Some people like my wife only drive 8k miles a year, which is more around 20 years...

> It does not go to 15kw It goes to whatever the software tells it to, which is based on the following factors: - What percentage the battery is at when it starts charging - Environmental conditions (cold/heat) - How many other cars are being charged (IIRC most super charger stations don't supply the max amps * the number of ports - they assume some cars will be throttled) A v3 can get up to 250 kW but only under opt…

The average consumer doesn't understand that their car gets less range over time after use.

right, the average consumer never owned anything which runs on a battery before and those rare folk that might have owned like a cellphone surely think that cars have MAGIC batteries which unlike every other battery they have ever owned is going to be rock n roll for decades

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Post by FloorEgg »

kanbara wrote: post #207
FloorEgg wrote: post #163

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100% same re the pedo tweet. Though sometimes I remember how just about everyone in my life that I love, respect and have spent a lot of time with has said something stupid, insecure, distasteful or offensive at some point. Everyone makes mistakes and says or does something out of character when they are at their worst. The difference with Elon is that so much of what he says is so public. Some of my friends who are…

he should keep his opinions to himself because he wields more power than billions of people combined, is the richest man in the world, and has said and done pretty heinous things. platforming nazis and right-wing white supremacists, siding with fascists who tried to stage a coup, calls for the murder of muslims, calls for the removal of rights for trans people, and is now calling for treason charges against politicia…

The thing is, I don't think most of what you just wrote is accurate, fair, intellectually honest or true.

1) You don't feel he has the right to voice his opinions because he is rich and powerful? Why? Do you prefer the rich and powerful influence your life in secret? Why? 2) I don't believe that he wields more power than billions of people. Do you really believe that? Surely thousands, maybe millions, but definitely not billions. You are exaggerating by at least 3 orders of magnitude. 3) Have you considered that there are far more wealthy people whose wealth isn't public information? 4) What heinous things has he done? (Excluding tweets, which I would argue falls under "said" and not "done") 5) Have you carefully considered what happens if anyone with a controversial view on a topic is silenced from public discussion? What do you think the long-term consequences are of de-platforming large numbers of people for their opinions on controversial topics? What if those topics need to be worked out in order for us to advance? What if deplatforming nazi's leads to more nazi's and not the other way around?

Also, a lot of the things you are accusing Elon of saying/doing don't match my understanding/experience. calling for the murder of muslims? Removal of rights for trans people? treason charges against politicions for their political views?

None of those things sound like things Elon would actually say/do. Can you point me to examples of them? (You would be educating me, and you may sway my opinion by expanding what I know).

Every day I question what is true and right and virtuous. I want to be good. My strategy is to stay curious, and not just accept the first thing I learn about a new subject. I read about things that are happening from a lot of different sources. When someone tells me that a person is evil/nazi/etc, and I go and listen to the things that person is saying, usually they aren't actually evil/nazi/etc they are just challenging the existing power structures or trying to shine light on uncomfortable truths.

I am not apologizing for anyone, but I do want to empathize with everyone, and most of all I want to understand what is true. I also want to forgive the things that warrant being forgiven. I have seen no compelling evidence that Elon is racist, white supremacist, nazi or facist, and me questioning you labelling him with such is not me apologizing, its me scratching my head wondering why you would label him as such. Genuinely curious, why would our perspectives on this be so different?

Where are you getting your information, and where am I getting my information?

Word to the wise, don't label curious people racist/white supremacist/nazi/fascist apologists, unless you want to be governed by tyranny, and if you do, well, good luck.

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