I mean, if they can get Naomi Wu to bend at the knee, none of their citizens are safe
How China turns members of its diaspora into spies
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> There might be something else but this looks like a progress evaluation form and is hardly concerning. There is indeed something else > An online announcement from January 2019 by the Chinese consulate in Belfast even suggests recipients should report important papers published, patents obtained, and inventions made by those they work with at British universities. I was unable to load the url for this, but it's not…
Published papers and patents are public information.
then why not look it up?
sending someone abroad to compile information on other people just seems off, even if some of that is public.
These are supposed to be students.
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This is just ignorance and hate, fabrications that don't pass even the most basic examination, all to rationalize racist white supremacy. If you want to identify dangers to you, don't do it by skin color. Look at the people telling you to be afraid, to hate, urging you to it. Those aren't good people, and they don't have your interests at heart. They are using you for truly bad things. No respected leader in US histo…
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> This mindset is driven by hatred of White people and ignorance of White achievement and culture.
Those are the lies people are telling you to encourage fear and hate - that someone out there hates you. I truly don't think about white people, achievement or culture, ever, and I never hear anyone discuss them, except white supremacist leaders trying to create hate and fear. You might as well say I hate people in some village in the Peruvian mountains - they aren't in my consciousness.
Now that you mention them, that's because I don't think of them as groups that exist beyond white supremacists - in my experience, it's a worldview limited to white supremacists - nor do I think that the definition of whiteness makes sense. Nobody else I know or talk to ever mentions them, or ever talks about erasing them or anyone at all.Could you give an example of what you are concerned about?
And whatever you believe or like, I hope you worship / follow / enjoy it to the fullest. My opinion is irrelevant to that. Governments are there to protect your rights, as Jefferson wrote, and I'd be outraged if anyone tried to take yours and your culture away and I'd want to protect them; I'd want our government to protect them.
Where support, love, and tolerance for others stop is when the others are parasites on freedom - when they use theirs to take freedom away others. And that's what racism and white supremacism do. Then I'm going to protect the people you attack just like I would protect you.
Of course the leaders of hate and fear have rationalizations why it's ok. Bad people always do. Tthe devil never says 'I'm the devil and these are bad things'. People are misled, seduced, and hate and fear have historically been the most common means.
Let's all protect each other's freedoms. That's what it's all about. Let's get together and then we're invincible. People who want to weaken you try to split you apart.
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#224In the UK Chinese funded international masters/phd students have to send back to China reports about their fellow students as a condition of their funding. There's no mandatory spying expected if the position is funded privately or by the host institution. I expect that the spying is just limited to their fellow state funded students although I have heard of significant tension between mainland and Hong Kong students…
> In the UK Chinese funded international masters/phd students have to send back to China reports about their fellow students as a condition of their funding. That's a major claim, do you have a link to an article or source?
Note that these are reports about their fellow chinese state funded students not any students they are with. They are not told to report on regular students, the university, companies or governments.
The students have to report on each other. Effectively spying on each other.
Also note that there are many private universities in China and private research institutions which send a significant number of students where I imagine this requirement doesn't apply.
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> This mindset is driven by hatred of White people and ignorance of White achievement and culture. Those are the lies people are telling you to encourage fear and hate - that someone out there hates you. I truly don't think about white people, achievement or culture, ever, and I never hear anyone discuss them, except white supremacist leaders trying to create hate and fear. You might as well say I hate people in some…
White people are a tiny global minority, and yet everywhere we exist in numbers is currently a target of mass immigration of non-Whites. This is not an accident. Soon there will be nowhere on earth for our people to live in peace and harmony among ourselves.
You're mistaken if you think it's a virtue to ignore this. If you are White, it's disgraceful. If you have White kids, it's unconscionable.
I'm sure you realise that I could turn back all of the things you said on your own position. I see endless demonization, fear-mongering, prohibition, ostracism, censorship and lies about White nationalism than any other movement in the West. Your government hates White people. It misleads you to hate us and to fear White collectivism.
What do I care for freedom if my great grandchildren have no homeland? are despised minorities in a soulless economic zone? are freely assaulted and killed by foreign authorities? don't exist...? That's such a suicidal, nihilistic ideology.
Stronger together indeed. White unity at every opportunity.
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So? You might need to confront the possibility that these are not the evils you've been led to believe they are. It appears they may well be healthy, rational, vital traits for a people to survive and thrive. A population that actively resists or perverts these natural behaviours through xenophilia is not long for this world.
I don't need to wonder, I can see the vivid trail through history of oppression, hate, violence, and destruction of humanity and everything it builds. > natural behaviours Always the argument of people perpetrating evil (or nonsense): It's natural! Murder, rape, hatred ... killing your sibling or parent is natural - it's in the Bible! Starvation, disease, warfare, cheating on your partner, theft, ... every bad thing…
I don’t disagree with your sentiment, but you will even find ghosts if you look hard and long enough.
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> This is completely irrelevant, as there's no evidence that the US uses its state intelligence apparatus to engage in industrial espionage
Apart from recent and historical evidence to the contrary[0;1], one has to expect that every member of the G20 group is doing the same against everyone else - and has also been doing so for decades. Perhaps more importantly, you have to assume that every intelligence agency in that same group are constantly (re)compromising and extending their foothold in their peers' communications systems as much as they can.
From a national security perspective, to refrain from doing so would be irresponsible. That said...
> There's ample evidence that the PRC does this, and has been doing this, for decades
This is also true. The approach taken by China was brutally effective: in order to allow foreign investment into China, the investor company had to accept terms that started with Technology Transfer programs.[2;3] For a Western company, ongoing access to relatively cheap and educated labour, in addition to a market of a billion+ potential customers, the short term tradeoffs were each seen individually profitable enough to compromise on their longer term sustainability. After all, it made the graphs go up.
The technologies that the companies chose to keep out of China were then the juicier, self-selected targets for pure industrial espionage.
The way I see it, we're slightly more than a decade away from reintroduction of internment camps. One of the G20 players is going to overstep the invisible boundaries, in a game where the rules are constantly rewritten. The result will be an inevitable knee-jerk reaction, propped up by the already visibly rising nationalistic and xenophobic fervour.
We are entering the age of the next round of the Great Game, this one fit for the 21s century, for the control of all six continents.[4]
0: https://www.mediapart.fr/en/journal/france/290615/revealed-m...
1: https://www.windpowermonthly.com/article/960011/trans-atlant...
2: https://www.uscc.gov/research/how-chinese-companies-facilita...
3: https://www.csis.org/analysis/rethinking-technology-transfer...
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Hiring and administrative machinery will therefore obviously be the target for an intelligent adversary, which we should presume we are facing.
I think anybody (especially a private employer, but really anyone ) hiring somebody from an adversary country who thinks they can conduct an effective background investigation is fooling themselves. There's not really any avenue of investigation (other than vetting via your native intelligence service) that doesn't lead back to the foreign government, or an agency they control.
Nobody thought they were hiring people from North Korea, just saying.