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More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by athrowaway3z »

yodsanklai wrote: post #215

I'm wondering if there are precedents in other domains. There are other jobs where you do see disturbing things as part of your duty. E.g. doctors, cops, first responders, prison guards and so on... What makes moderation different? and how should it be handled so that it reduces harm and risks? surely banning social media or not moderating content aren't options. AI helps to some extent but doesn't solve the issue en…

I'm not sure your comparisons are close enough to be considered precedents.

My guess is even standing at the ambulance drive in of a big hospital, you'll not see as much horrors in a day as these people see in 30 minutes.

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Post by jnwatson »

guerrilla wrote: post #209
wkat4242 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Footage of people being shot is actually allowed on many platforms. It's also part of almost every American cop and military show and movie. Of course it's not real but it looks the same.

> Of course it's not real but it looks the same. I beg to differ. TV shows and movies are silly. Action movies are just tough-guy dancing.

"Tough guy dancing" is such an apt phrase.

The organizer is even called a "fight choreographer".

Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Post by jnwatson »

guerrilla wrote: post #213
azinman2 wrote: post #175

> The moderators from Kenya and other African countries were tasked from 2019 to 2023 with checking posts emanating from Africa and in their own languages but were paid eight times less than their counterparts in the US, according to the claim documents Why would pay in different countries be equivalent? Pretty sure FB doesn’t even pay the same to their engineers depending on where in the US they are, let alone which…

> Why would pay in different countries be equivalent? Because it's exploitative otherwise. It's just exploiting the fact that they're imprisoned within borders.

It is also exploiting the fact that humans need food and shelter to live and money is used to acquire those things.

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Post by zmgsabst »

Eisenstein wrote: post #189
sabbaticaldev wrote: post #188

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Socratic questioning is not cluelessness and your inability to answer does not bolster your position.

Socratic questioning requires the asker to have a deeper understanding whereby they guide with their questions.

Do you think that’s what people see in yours?

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Post by guerrilla »

jnwatson wrote: post #223
guerrilla wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why would pay in different countries be equivalent? Because it's exploitative otherwise. It's just exploiting the fact that they're imprisoned within borders.

It is also exploiting the fact that humans need food and shelter to live and money is used to acquire those things.

That's only exploitation if you combine it with fact of the enclosure of the commons and that all land and productive equipment on Earth is private or state property and that it's virtually impossible to just go farm or hunt for yourself without being fucked with anymore, let alone do anything more advanced without being shut down violently.

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Post by thrance »

richrichie wrote: post #212
thrance wrote: post #56

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If you were a tech billionaire you'd be a sociopath like the others and wouldn't give a single f about this. You'd be going on podcasts to tell the world that markets will fix everything if given the chance.

They are not wrong. Do you know any mechanism other than markets that work at scale and that don’t cost a bomb and don’t involve abusive central authority?

Tech billionaires usually advocate for some kind of return to the gilded age, with minimal workers rights and corporate tax. Markets were freer back then, how did that work out for the average man? Markets alone don't do anything for the average quality of life.

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Post by mcntsh »

guerrilla wrote: post #213
azinman2 wrote: post #175

> The moderators from Kenya and other African countries were tasked from 2019 to 2023 with checking posts emanating from Africa and in their own languages but were paid eight times less than their counterparts in the US, according to the claim documents Why would pay in different countries be equivalent? Pretty sure FB doesn’t even pay the same to their engineers depending on where in the US they are, let alone which…

> Why would pay in different countries be equivalent? Because it's exploitative otherwise. It's just exploiting the fact that they're imprisoned within borders.

Interesting perspective. I wonder if you yourself take part in the exploitation by purchasing things made/grown in poor countries due to cost.

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Post by fcmgr »

yodsanklai wrote: post #215

I'm wondering if there are precedents in other domains. There are other jobs where you do see disturbing things as part of your duty. E.g. doctors, cops, first responders, prison guards and so on... What makes moderation different? and how should it be handled so that it reduces harm and risks? surely banning social media or not moderating content aren't options. AI helps to some extent but doesn't solve the issue en…

A friend's friend is a paramedic and as far as I remember they can take the rest of a day off after witnessing death on duty and there's an obligatory consulation with a mental healthcare specialist. From reading the article, it seems like those moderators are seeing horrific things almost constantly throughout the day.

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Post by meiraleal »

graemep wrote: post #201
newsclues wrote: post #104

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Humans can render other humans unrecognizable with a rock. Brutal murder is low tech.

> Humans can render other humans unrecognizable with a rock. They are much less likely to. We have instinctive repulsion to violence, especially extending it (e.g. if the rock does not kill at the first blow). It is much easier to kill with a gun (and even then people need training to be willing to do it), and easier still to fire a missile at people you cannot even see.

Than throwing a face punch or a rock? You should check public schools.
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