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Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by egorfine »

spookie wrote: post #199
egorfine wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their ToS forbids not just the crypto mining (that was extremely reasonable to ban ten years ago, but it's moot today) but also some arbitrary financial technologies they don't like. So beware of their ToS.

Is it really moot today given the current geopolitical landscape? I would assume not given they're based in Germany.

It's moot because it makes no sense to mine on CPU or even on an entry level GPU that Hetzner did provide at one point. You will make a couple of $/m.

Besides, no mainstream crypto is mined anymore except Bitcoin.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by bdndndndbve »

bambax wrote: post #203
goatking wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you build your own data center? Is it in your house, or renting a place somewhere? How much did it cost? I would be curious about any details you can share.

I self host on an NAS at home with a free Cloudfront CDN on top; it's really easy to do and for simple websites (including dynamic ones backed by an sqlite db) that don't receive excessive traffic, it works well and is almost free (since the NAS would be on in any case). Of course it wouldn't work for all cases but I find it beats having a vps somewhere that can be taken down for no reason at all.

This is like saying "I got kicked off a plane so I bought a Civic and bolted a wing on the back". Cloud front is doing all the heavy lifting and you're not really getting data center level reliability.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by [deleted] »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #218
Terr_ wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused, it sounds like you're saying the same tape was being ejected every week and then reinserted without any rotation. But in that case, shouldn't the weekly backup process have failed because the tape was full? Was nobody getting those alerts? Or do you mean the backup process was fine, but they restored from the wrong media, a very old tape that was about to be overwritten, instead of retrieving the one wi…

no, the first Sunday night after the backup process completed. It ejected the tape. It sat there for years until someone realized they needed to restore from the most recent backup. Since a new tape was never inserted, the backup was from years ago.

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Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by sleepybrett »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #87
tailspin2019 wrote: post #65

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Your experience doesn’t sound a great deal better and also puts me off this provider. 24-hours is almost synonymous with no warning in my book. How many contact attempts can reasonably be made in that time? If it’s a single email - then even if it doesn’t get caught in a Spam filter that’s still a short period of time to notice and respond when the stakes are so high. If that email goes to junk, or you’re unwell and…

>If it’s a single email - then even if it doesn’t get caught in a Spam filter that’s still a short period of time to notice and respond when the stakes are so high. What size company would you have to be where a 24 hour notice would not be problematic? I'm actually curious as to opinions here, and understand that obviously part of it is how well managed are your employee leave messaging etc. I know one company with a…

it's equally stupid for a company of 10k. Even if you have poeple watching inboxes it still has to get routed up some kind of management chain before a response can be considered.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by sleepybrett »

buran77 wrote: post #216
r3trohack3r wrote: post #210

After their experience with targeted "deplatforming" rumble started its own cloud: https://www.rumble.cloud/

And their T&C have the same termination clause as anyone else. > 6. Termination > The Provider may terminate this Agreement at any time, for any reason, with or without notice to the Adopter. Adopter may terminate the Services upon notice to the Provider.

hurt people hurt people.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by rozap »

Heh, this happened to me the other day. I had hooked it up to paypal and didn't realize it wasn't set up to autopay, so I had an outstanding balance of $8 for about a week and they nuked everything. It was just for a hobby project so it was no big deal and I'll provision a new server with them, but I'm not sure I'd use them for a serious project, even though their prices are good. Granted, if it was for a serious project, I would have spent more time and care setting stuff up.

The funny bit was I paid the invoice, and then my account remained suspended. When support finally got back to me a few days later, they said (and I quote)

  Dear Client
  We want to give you one last chance as a gesture of goodwill, so we revoked the cancellation for you.
  Kind regards
which made my account accessible again. You'd think they'd be a little lenient for new accounts where the debit is less than $10, but I guess not.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by ianburrell »

mavhc wrote: post #168
justusthane wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Replication isn't a backup, because if you accidentally delete a file, and that deletion is immediately replicated, then you can't get that file back. Backups are a specific point in time.

Backup is a useless word, it's too overloaded Are snapshots backups? snapshots on raid? snapshots on replicated disks?

Backup describes what they are for. There are many ways to do backups. The main thing is that backups are archive stored away from danger. There are different kinds of danger and different need for protection.

Snapshots can be backups depending on where they are stored usually not if stored locally. For example, RDS snapshot is backup for database going down but not account being deleted or region destroyed. Generally, snapshots are way to make backups to more durable medium.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by bambax »

bdndndndbve wrote: post #222
bambax wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I self host on an NAS at home with a free Cloudfront CDN on top; it's really easy to do and for simple websites (including dynamic ones backed by an sqlite db) that don't receive excessive traffic, it works well and is almost free (since the NAS would be on in any case). Of course it wouldn't work for all cases but I find it beats having a vps somewhere that can be taken down for no reason at all.

This is like saying "I got kicked off a plane so I bought a Civic and bolted a wing on the back". Cloud front is doing all the heavy lifting and you're not really getting data center level reliability.

Does a Civic fly when it has a wing bolted on it? Coz my setup serves pages alright.

Re: "Hetzner decided to cancel our account and terminate all servers"

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Post by andrewaylett »

mavhc wrote: post #168
justusthane wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Replication isn't a backup, because if you accidentally delete a file, and that deletion is immediately replicated, then you can't get that file back. Backups are a specific point in time.

Backup is a useless word, it's too overloaded Are snapshots backups? snapshots on raid? snapshots on replicated disks?

A backup is something that will functionally replace the original should the original fail, regardless of how the original failed. For data, this means that the restore process is part of the backup.

Snapshots are not backups. Snapshots on RAID are not backups. Snapshots on replicated disks are probably backups, so long as the disks being replicated to are not inside the same case/building/city/continent (pick your risk suitably) and you're not able to delete the snapshots from the machine hosting the originals.

The second SIM in my phone provides a backup for my primary service provider, so long as I keep it activated. The torch in my pocket is a backup for the lighting in my house, so long as I keep it charged. My data in tarsnap is a backup, so long as I'm able to restore it. Which means data in tarsnap isn't a complete backup on its own: unless I'm able to recover the encryption key, I don't actually have a backup.

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