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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by wesselbindt »

meepmorp wrote: post #213
wesselbindt wrote: post #127

The reason given is to root out pro-North Korean elements. How is red scare stuff still a thing?

SK has been at war with a hostile, communist neighbor for about 75 years. It's not really "red scare stuff." Edit: I'm not sure what I was getting at, so ignore me

There's no pro north Korean elements in the opposition. This is using a very real foreign adversary as a boogeyman to demonize political opponents. That's exactly what "red scare stuff" was back then in the United States, and that's exactly how it's being used right now by the president of Korea.

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Post by nozzlegear »

llm_trw wrote: post #102
rrr_oh_man wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it’s always the others who are doing it. Our government would never. I mean, they did, but that was at least… dozens of years ago. And got forcibly declassified. They would never today. I guess. :-)

It's been at least one dozen years ago since the last time it happened. No one from that period is still in the exact same position as when it happened - some of them were promoted.

> some of them were promoted.

And the rest? Who exactly are you talking about here?

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Post by klysm »

decremental wrote: post #8

This article reeks to high hell of the regime propaganda writing we see about domestic politics: "Yoon — whose approval rating has dipped in recent months — has struggled to push his agenda against an opposition-controlled parliament since taking office in 2022. Yoon’s conservative People Power Party had been locked in an impasse with the liberal opposition Democratic Party over next year’s budget bill. He has also b…

Sure, but you have not disqualified their claims. Perhaps the conservative side should be painted in a bad light?

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Post by esperent »

wruza wrote: post #150
cassepipe wrote: post #42

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You edited your low-effort take into another still unargumented low-effort take... I see that you are not new here so you probably know what to expect for your comment, HN doesn't look kindly of flamebait. I am hijacking your comment in the hope that you and others will read the link I post here from a military historian whose articles end up regularly on the front page of HN. It adresses the question of US foreign a…

(Not gp) I’d like to read it, but I don’t understand how to even start to make sense of large texts like this. Does one just read and believe, or how does it look like? It speaks many insights and facts, but where does it get these? How does one even write such text without being e.g. a highly ranked official working directly in the field for many years? Authors profile https://acoup.blog/author/aimedtact/ doesn’t in…

The author Brett Deveraux is a fairly well known military historian. So I guess he got to be an expert, learn how to cite his sources and so on the way a lot of experts do: university, followed by many years work.

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Post by notahacker »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142
tacheiordache wrote: post #68

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> Kremlin's sawing chaos in the democratic world "President Yoon has taken an overwhelmingly pro-US policy compared to previous presidents," and his "PPP is fiercely anti-communist and advocates a hawkish policy against North Korea" [1]. With "many PPP politicians support[ing] South Korea having nuclear weapons on its own," this is not the man Pyongyang or Moscow want as dicator in Seoul. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org…

I don't think we can blame Moscow or Pyongyang, but I can't imagine they'd be unhappy about the leader of a prosperous wester-allied neighbouring democracy rejecting democracy with the short term outcome likely being him immediately deposed (probably taking a few fiercely anticommunist hawks down with him) or immediately ostracised by the international community

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Post by bananapub »

anon291 wrote: post #212
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #125

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> Is that really as true as it used to be since COVID? A number of governments enacted quite astonishingly repressive measures Zero countries in the West enacted anything resembling martial law. The only freedoms abridged were those of movement and assembly, and even then the penalty was being shut down or ticketed, rarely jail, never summary execution.

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> Yes, that's dystopic. Yes, making people do that for 14 days after traveling anywhere in the country is martial law in all but name only.

making people isolate after international travel during a global pandemic is not "martial law in all but name". this is an absolutely unhinged thing to think. please get some fresh air and get off Youtube and Rumble.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

anon291 wrote: post #212
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is that really as true as it used to be since COVID? A number of governments enacted quite astonishingly repressive measures Zero countries in the West enacted anything resembling martial law. The only freedoms abridged were those of movement and assembly, and even then the penalty was being shut down or ticketed, rarely jail, never summary execution.

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> making people do that for 14 days after traveling anywhere in the country is martial law in all but name only

It's not. If we broaden to this definition, America has been under martial law since passports, border control and driver's licenses.

> imposing fines instead of jailing people for exercising civil rights is still martial law

No, it isn't. If we broaden to this definition, America has been under martial law since its founding.

> people who resisted were arrested

Sure. And charged. Due process. Not martial law.

> We know exactly what happened, and don't like it, and it's a large reason the american election went as it did.

One, we didn't experience any of what you listed in America. Two, the election went the way it did because of the economy. Three, election! Not a thing under martial law!

You can credibly say the Covid restrictions were authoritarian, dystopic and even unconstitutional. You cannot say they resembled martial law. A hit and run is a terrible crime, that doesn't mean it's a war crime, and someone arguing it isn't a war crime isn't saying it's okay.

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Post by coldtea »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #204
bilbo0s wrote: post #138

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Yep. Pretty much everyone. Only difference in which enemy is pointed to, is who you ask.

Some are more objectively real threats than others. Like that guy who claims to only want to be dictator for a day, who sent an armed mob to storm the Capital building, pardoned cronies and war criminals, and brags about walking in on women naked.

For "an armed mob to storming", it looked a hell of a lot like a bunch of stupid ass demonstrators getting inside a government building with no plans, no leadership, and no fucking clue what to do, and then getting summarily expelled. That is to a coup what The Muppet Show is to Saw.

As for the "pardoned cronies", isn't today a bad day to single one side out based on that?

(Not to mention the singling out for "war criminals", when the other side is warmongering hawks, bombing, openly pushing for war, sabotaging peace deals, and openly assisting a slow burning genocide).

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Post by himinlomax »

bloomingkales wrote: post #32

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Up there with gravity and shit. I wish we could do something with this information, but alas, knowledge isnt power. Cersei Lannister: Power is power.

> virtual enemy

There's nothing virtual about North Korea ...

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