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London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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Re: London's 850-year-old food markets to close

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Post by forgetfreeman »

refulgentis wrote: post #155
forgetfreeman wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm more than open to reading anything about that! Literally anything! Great! Start paying attention to real estate and rental prices in areas near "mixed use" development projects and urban multi-story housing construction, literally the projects that are billed by politicians as addressing housing shortages and you'll find my point bore out pretty plainly. > I don't think "more things available makes price goes d…

Ah okay, you made it up :)

Uh no, I'm watching it play out in realtime in local real estate markets. It's fucking with my retirement plans.

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

bearbin wrote: post #169
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #64

The same thing happened to Covent Garden in the 1970s - the original site was closed, a new one was opened that over time became very evidently much better suited to being a large scale wholesale fruit and vegetable market. Everybody and their uncle bitched and moaned about it, but I think there are few people today who would argue that London would be better off if Covent Garden was still the central produce market…

The New Covent Garden Market itself is currently in the middle of a multi-decade redevelopment, they've slightly reduced the footprint and sold off some land for development, and the remains (still a massive area) is being _very_ slowly converted into a more modern design - sadly not really a market where you can actually go on foot to buy things, but a co-location area for lots of wholesalers to warehouse and delive…

The old one was the same - not retail, just wholesale.

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Post by jimbob45 »

gyomu wrote: post #71
roughly wrote: post #56

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Christ, yeah - I came here to post the same quote. What kind of horrific shit does one need to go through in life to become capable of uttering that kind of horseshit with a straight face?

Maybe we shouldn’t be casting stones from the HN glass house, because literally every other startup here has a mission statement that sounds as ridiculous as this

Nobody drags YC startups through the mud like we do here.

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Post by djtango »

Earw0rm wrote: post #158
tempusalaria wrote: post #127

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The reality is that these are not culturally significant institutions and most people in London don’t care. Ordinary Londoners rarely use these markets, and they mostly sell to restaurants, and require major financial support. Not everything from the past is good. We don’t still run coal power plants in London just to get that historic smog. They were already planning to move both markets way out of central London (t…

Mostly agree, Londoners go to Borough if they're rich or the many local farmer's markets on the weekend. You'd have to admit, the not providing a new site thing is kind of shoddy though?

Borough market is for tourists. (although one of my must-eat places for all of London is there)

I've bought some of the best seafood I've ever eaten from Billingsgate. I remember picking up some fresh scallops still covered in mud that were the plumpest sweetest scallops. My mother was in awe of how fresh they were

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Post by no_wizard »

seizethecheese wrote: post #150
gyomu wrote: post #71

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Maybe we shouldn’t be casting stones from the HN glass house, because literally every other startup here has a mission statement that sounds as ridiculous as this

Arguably, startups should have absurd mission statements, while managers of the city of London should be more sober.

Wait why should startups have absurd mission statements? That doesn’t make sense to me

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Post by robertlagrant »

fecal_henge wrote: post #216
FredPret wrote: post #168

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The most economically valuable 0.6%

That value buys excellent public transport, and generally wages that let you trade in £1000 banger for £3000 one.

When a bureaucrat makes your car worth -£2000 a year you'd be surprised at what you get vs what you still owe on it.

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Post by bruce511 »

Fnoord wrote: post #218
chris_wot wrote: post #209

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And a lot of them are suffering who definitely could have voted, but decided not to.

And a lot were straight out manipulated, including by foreign agents (Russia).

Democracy is a system of government. It asks people to vote on important decisions (like brexit) and to choose leaders to make day-to-day decisions on their behalf.

It is, of course, the system favored in the West and evident touted as the "best system".

Being 'best' of course does not necessarily make it good. Large groups of people are easily swayed based on fear, anger, perception, rhetoric and so on. The implications of each policy are seldom evaluated in the cold light of day.

So yes, the British voted for brexit- that is democracy in action. Majority Rules - so whining about being in the minority is irrelevant - the system is literally based on "majority rules".

Same thing in the US now. A president has been elected where he has specific points of action. The majority voted for those points of action. The people have spoken. Those policies are not secret. They have been publically explained to anyone who cared to listen.

It's not necessary to blame foreign agents. The decision lay with the electorate, and the electorate have spoken. It is the very core of democracy that those votes be respected and acted on. Uou want to leave Europe? Fine. Is it monumentally stupid? Absolutely. But democracy does not require "good" decisions, only popular ones.

And before the US folk get smug, tarrifs are coming to drive up prices. That is quite literally what the people have voted for. I have no doubt this will reinvigorate the local manufacturing industry. The next VC target will be steel.

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Post by refulgentis »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #221
refulgentis wrote: post #155

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Ah okay, you made it up :)

Uh no, I'm watching it play out in realtime in local real estate markets. It's fucking with my retirement plans.

I hate to be rude, but, whether or not your retirement plan is going to plan has nothing to do with whether more housing makes prices go up.

I'm honestly kinda upset you didn't have anything backing up that idea. I genuinely expect better from HN, and genuinely believed that maybe I had missed something at 35, after an econ degree before promoting getting into programming. I wouldn't have given the benefit of the doubt on any other site, and certainly not if you weren't as well spoken as you are.

I can't believe you're throwing out RealPage intros after sneering at me about entry level econ.

Buddy I knew RealPage, intimately, years ago and nothing in the story has anything to say about prices always go up. In fact, the existence of the story requires the opposite

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Post by fakedang »

hermitcrab wrote: post #217
fakedang wrote: post #198

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I mean, other countries would kill to preserve such long-lasting heritage, especially one that's in active use and very much a part of the city. But the English of late are exceptionally good at bending over and showing their rear-ends to new foreign overlords for paltry sums of coin.

Indeed. It is shocking how little money it takes to buy influence in the UK. I reckon I could afford my own MP.

You can afford the PM for 50k pounds and the chancellor of the exchequer for 20k if they're Tories.

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Post by elphinstone »

roughly wrote: post #56
hnbear wrote: post #24

Statement from the City of London Corporation which is closing them down: > Chris Hayward, policy chairman of the City of London Corporation, said the > decision represented a "positive new chapter" for the markets as it "empowers > traders to build a sustainable future in premises that align with their > long-term business goals". This is a great statement. Like firing people to free them up to find jobs that better…

Christ, yeah - I came here to post the same quote. What kind of horrific shit does one need to go through in life to become capable of uttering that kind of horseshit with a straight face?

Sounds like an AI trained on decades of lies.
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