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Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by epistasis »

pythonguython wrote: post #11

Low quality article aside, Threads also had a major spike in usage that quickly dropped off. I could be wrong, but I’m going to guess Bluesky will be the same. They don’t seem to offer anything new/different other than moderation, which I’m not convinced is enough to shift momentum from x to bluesky

It's not just checkbox features that matter, it's also the entire algorithm and who is allowed to have their posts gain organic traction. X actively penalizes high quality information, and pushes misinformation in an attempt to become an echo chamber.

If you want to find your colleauges' posts, if you want to find high quality information, if you want good links to long articles, X is no longer the place to be.

If you want to have click-bait and rage-bait or lots of right-wing politics, X will cater to your needs. But it won't cater to somebody that's trying to get to highly-curated high-signal information networks that Twitter allowed in the past. That's all been actively destroyed, with great intention.

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Post by jazzyjackson »

Fnoord wrote: post #164
mlboss wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Cause it is trolling, pure hatred. Hermaphroditism exists, simple scientifically backed up fact.

Hermaphroditism is an "exception proves the rule" kind of thing - they are not a third sex, and I don't think the "two genders" crowd hates intersex people or even men who claim to be women, but they do probably hate people who claim that it's bigotry to say sex is a binary.

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

bfrog wrote: post #214
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it’s inevitable at all. In fact I believe that the present day situation boils down to one thing only: the prioritization of engagement at the cost of all else. That’s what set us down this road. It incentivizes inflammatory posting that eschews nuance and context and twists and exaggerates the subject matter in order to provoke emotional responses — whether they be angry replies, “dunk” quote-posts, re…

It wasn’t like this as little as 10 years ago

You didn't really have people posting from their prepaid phones 10 years ago. Old internet users were a select group.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by ipaddr »

virgildotcodes wrote: post #220
ipaddr wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You guess racist? I had a different first guess. Then I had a better second guess. I then had a three and fourth guess. Then I wasn't sure at all. None of them were racism. This becomes a personality test that speaks about who you are and what battles you always see.

Substitute homosexuality, being transgender, or whatever you'd like.

Try words you may not like too like right wing or Trump supporter. Still work?

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by jazzyjackson »

afavour wrote: post #186
mwinatschek wrote: post #163

Social media was doomed the moment its users were demoted from customers to exploitable sources of data. Bluesky will inevitably follow the same path of enshittification as every other social network before it. Its current success hinges solely on the nostalgic desire for a single platform where people can gather in peace. The real question is: How many cycles of doom will people endure before they finally stop jumpi…

> Bluesky will inevitably follow the same path of enshittification Why do you say that? Bluesky is a protocol-first non profit. To my knowledge no company set up that way has achieved this level of success before. They don’t have the same motivations to enshittify that other networks do.

OpenAI was a nonprofit to make sure benefit of AGI was distributed equally.

I think it's plausible AT protocol allows a new level of interop/portability between services. It's also possible Bluesky burns through Blockchain Capital's money and starts doing crypto air drops like Keybase.

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Post by empthought »

Pufferbo wrote: post #165
rescbr wrote: post #156

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As far as I understand it, Bluesky's default feed is chronologically sorted posts from who you follow. It is as a dumb pipe as it gets.

There’s multiple feeds, which is one of its main features. There’s user created feeds, which are just aggregates of tags and keywords. These are alright, but prone to issues with cross domain terminology. ie, say you want a football/soccer feed and use the word “spurs”, you’ll end up having it filled with basketball and rodeo posts. The two default feeds are your followed accounts in chronological order, the other is…

No matter how many times I choose "Show less like this" on furry manga art in the algorithmic feed, I still see it show up. :(

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by epistasis »

pajeetz wrote: post #166
the_black_hand wrote: post #33

Threads is a good product. My twitter feed is dumpster fire of right wing politics and rage baity post. Threads has been much more balance. Open the app and have a good time. People have been trying to make Bluesky happen for years. It won't. I believe moderation is fundamental to any social network, otherwise the bad actors always take over. Meta has been content moderation for years and understands the nuances. Peo…

Big names like Lichtman announced he was leaving X for Bluesky and came back on X in less than 24 hours. What makes social media work is the echo effect, you just won't be able to get it on a heavily censored platform like Bluesky and Reddit and a big reason why X is overtaking even mainstream media as much as people who lean left. Its a huge problem to be imposing political leanings of the moderator on a public squa…

Who is Lichtman? Doing a web search for that name brings up many different first names in the top hits. I don't think you can consider whoever that is a "big name." And who wants "big names" on social media? Screw that, only echo chambers need "big names" to bring views.

>Its a huge problem to be imposing political leanings of the moderator on a public square because you end up creating an echo chamber which people inevitably abandon because you just won't reach enough people.

This describes the problem that X is facing. It censored heavily, and heavily penalizes politically "incorrect" posts that its owner doesn't like, creating an echo chamber that only fringe weirdos can enjoy. I don't need to see any more low-signal hate posts. Please just auto-delete anybody using copious slurs or with a username like N*iggerSlayer42069, it's not an "echo chamber" to not expose oneself to the lowest of the low discussion levels, it's an echo chamber to let those people dominate conversations while censoring technical terms I use every day in the workplace.. I don't need to go to 4chan to "broaden my horizons" and any platform owner that decides to shove that stuff down my throat will not find me on their platform any more.

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

CaptainFever wrote: post #208
dehrmann wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the algorithm doesn't make the filter bubble, people will make it on their own.

See the Fediverse for example, which prides itself on not having algorithms, and is yet the most echo-chambery and radical place I know of. People automatically filter themselves into different servers, and defederate with each other with frequency. (Whether or not this is good or bad depends on your moral views. But I think it is obvious that "algorithms" are not really to blame.)

Didn't it spring up in response to those blameless "algorithms"?

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Post by jazzyjackson »

sakesun wrote: post #135

I find it's interesting that React which Bluesky was built on, was originally license with BSD + patents, which disallow building Facebook competing products.

I agree there's some irony to be had but I must make a correction: it revoked your license if you infringed on patents owned by Facebook. Does Facebook have patents on "add friend" buttons and "timeline"s ? (Asking, I don't know the answer)

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Post by Der_Einzige »

emseetech wrote: post #161
wmf wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI doesn't matter. Moderation should apply to humans and AIs equally.

AI has the ability to overwhelm systems of moderation at a much greater scale than humans. That's the issue.

Good.
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