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Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by gregable »

EasyMark wrote: post #213
fenomas wrote: post #199

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Considering Safari is mainly used on a platform where it's mandatory, I'm not sure "standing" is the term. Last man being propped up Weekend-at-Bernie's style?

It’s not really mandatory, you can use other browsers on both iOS and macOS

Except you can't. Every browser on iOS uses Safari's rendering engine. Chrome/Firefox on iOS are effectively reskinned Safari. This is an apple requirement. The rendering engine being the important part here when talking about standards and such.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by Loughla »

1over137 wrote: post #205
steelframe wrote: post #204

When I parked a rental car in downtown SLC last week I had to find a way to pay to park. There was a kiosk with a functional screen, but the touchscreen part of it was broken, so I couldn't interact with it. I plopped my stuff down and sat on a concrete bench in the cold and dark to try to figure things out on my phone. The QR code sent me to a website to install an app. Google Play store said the app was designed fo…

The machines don’t take cash?

In the nearest urban center the meters don't take cash. The machines also do not take direct payment. The kiosk on each block also does not take payments of any kind. They force you to use a 3rd party app not actually owned by the city.

There is zero way to pay for parking unless you have a smart phone and data. I have no idea why no one has sued for access yet.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by crowcroft »

ericwood wrote: post #187
JimDabell wrote: post #179

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> one of the worst pieces of IE 6's reign of terror: the stagnation. This is the thing that I think developers today don’t seem to be able to get their head around. There was a fourteen year time period between Internet Explorer 6 being released and when it dropped out of usage worldwide. Even if you only had to support the USA, it was still eleven years. People could go their entire careers without ever knowing what…

Deprecating it if your site had much traffic was like pulling teeth! I worked at a company that had IT professionals as its main demographic in 2011 and it was a constant struggle. Lots of corporations were locked into IE6 because they had developed internal applications that relied on ActiveX controls or other non-standard APIs. IE7 was still pretty terrible, and it took even longer to drop support. CSS was pretty b…

Oh man, the days of no dev tools. Man it really is incredible to think how far things have come.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by cschep »

carlosjobim wrote: post #189
onion2k wrote: post #156

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Safari is the last man standing before a ChromeOS world. Except it isn't. Maybe I'm being slightly obtuse here, but the world is not "Chrome Vs Safari". It's "Chrome Vs Safari Vs native apps". If Safari dies we'll be in a world of "Chrome Vs native apps", and that is what Apple wants. Browsers represent a way to deliver software to users that's outside of Apple's revenue mechanisms. Apple have every incentive to keep…

Native apps have always been better than browser/cloud based solutions. The only people who prefer the cloud are lazy developers, tech companies who want to sell software as a subscription, and corporate IT who finds it easier than dealing with native software on the computers. The end user is always served better by native apps.

Mostly I agree with you but sharing URL’s to resources is vastly better on the web. So is distributing updates.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by j16sdiz »

fellowniusmonk wrote: post #201
Aloisius wrote: post #194

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Safari hasn't actually been particular far behind implementing industry standards. As far as I can tell, it's more that people seem to believe that Google dictates industry standards and base everything on when Chrome supports it as opposed to when it actually gets standardized. SSE's W3C draft standard in 2012. Supported in Safari in 2010. web sockets This one is true. IETF standard 2011. Supported fully in Safari 2…

This is very misleading, compare implementation timelines between browsers and you'll see that Safari has implemented many of these things year(s) after chromium, firefox and even opera. This of course was because they have tried as much as possible to push people to closed source/walled garden apps.

Safari use open sourced webkit, just like Chrome use open sourced chromium.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by j16sdiz »

lmm wrote: post #200
bloppe wrote: post #163

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Am I the only one left happily using Firefox? You know, the only "major" browser that doesn't seem to have these conflicts of interest?

The Firefox that gets the vast majority of its revenue from Google, that Firefox? I think the only full-featured browser with a prosocial funding model is Konqueror, where what little money there is mostly comes from EU grants. Not coincidental that its code quality was so much better that everyone else based on its rendering engine.

Konqueror is underfunded and can't catch up with the standards

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by dcow »

tapland wrote: post #203
dudhejffj wrote: post #175

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I use Firefox Mobile but have long abandoned the desktop offering. The only thing I feel like I get from the desktop version lately is a spiritual victory whereas the mobile browser actually has tangible features I prefer like add-ons and the search bar at the bottom.

On iOS it’s still safari backend though?

Yes.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by WD-42 »

gregable wrote: post #221
EasyMark wrote: post #213

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It’s not really mandatory, you can use other browsers on both iOS and macOS

Except you can't. Every browser on iOS uses Safari's rendering engine. Chrome/Firefox on iOS are effectively reskinned Safari. This is an apple requirement. The rendering engine being the important part here when talking about standards and such.

The only browser that seems to be able to get around this is Orion. No idea how they are doing it.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by dcow »

gregable wrote: post #221
EasyMark wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not really mandatory, you can use other browsers on both iOS and macOS

Except you can't. Every browser on iOS uses Safari's rendering engine. Chrome/Firefox on iOS are effectively reskinned Safari. This is an apple requirement. The rendering engine being the important part here when talking about standards and such.

Every time this discussion happens a non-trivial number of people reveal they’ve fallen into this trap of believing other browsers are allowed on iOS. Feels like a consumer protection issue, at some level.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by dcow »

WD-42 wrote: post #228
gregable wrote: post #221

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Except you can't. Every browser on iOS uses Safari's rendering engine. Chrome/Firefox on iOS are effectively reskinned Safari. This is an apple requirement. The rendering engine being the important part here when talking about standards and such.

The only browser that seems to be able to get around this is Orion. No idea how they are doing it.

Orion is WebKit. Safari’s rendering engine is WebKit.
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