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Post by Jensson »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #208
Funes- wrote: post #206

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I'm sorry you had to go through such a horrible experience @EndWokeness, but you could have stated an actual biological fact by posting "There are only two sexes", even if there are corner cases. This week I've started to see new users that post flamebait, gore, or even child porn in BlueSky. These get banned quickly, but I can't fathom what's the psychological necessity of people like you following the "wokes" to a…

Since gender is a social construct with no physical meaning it means he isn't wrong, everyone is allowed to decide how many genders there are in their own mind. His social construct just has 2 genders, others might have more.

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Post by ben_w »

majorchord wrote: post #61
ben_w wrote: post #57

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> I think if you can realistically solve that you'd be a millionaire already. Please. If I knew how to do that, or even how to reduce bots even with SMS verification etc., I'd be a multi-billionaire at least. Making a twitter clone is relatively easy, making a community with a good vibe that's actually worth spending time using is the one single problem that makes none of the clones stand out to normal users.

One idea I had (feel free to steal this idea for your own use) was a one-time crypto payment to create an account. Of course you can't prevent bots from doing that, but if the price is right then I think it might greatly limit the number of bots on the platform as well as possibly limit the number of low-quality accounts. But you don't know what you don't know, so I might be missing something that makes this pointles…

Bad actors were willing to pay for whatever Twitter's premium thingie was called at the time, shortly after Musk started changing what the blue tick meant.

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Post by ranger_danger »

thinkingemote wrote: post #183
4ntiq wrote: post #65

something tells me 4chan will survive the birth and death of many social media platforms. lessons to be learned but everyone keeps repeating the same mistakes

People thank that 4chan has no moderation and no rules but it has both. The moderators are invisible to users. Posts are and can be reported by users. Moderation action also happens invisibly as the users are mostly anonymous. Additionally like how some irc networks had a philosophy of hidden ops, encouraging users to hide their elevated status leads to a more egalitarian experience. Moderators can't abuse their posi…

> so that people are less toxic and more kind

I agree but I don't see how this is possible at any scale because any rules would be subject to interpretation by other humans.

One example that happens a lot is the "code of conduct" in FOSS projects, bad users often use it as a false flag to justify suppressing opinions they don't like, AND bad moderators (in addition to the false flag approach) abuse their colorful interpretations of subjective terms to push a narrative.

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Post by ranger_danger »

thousand_nights wrote: post #106
dyauspitr wrote: post #71

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Yeah but what’s the point, most people don’t want to spend a lot of time there.

that's an intended feature working as expected, an influx of more people would ruin it

Maybe that's the key... sites should not become so large that it creates big echo chambers for one person to reach millions, it keeps other people having to search for answers and do their own research instead of just everyone listening to the same group of idiots.

Perhaps you could also force a limit on how much time was spent (or how many posts made in X time) on the site.

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Post by ranger_danger »

bigbones wrote: post #40

I think the central nature of moderation needs fixed, rather than moderation itself. Real world moderation doesn't work by having a central censor, it involves like-minded people identifying into a group and having their access to conversation enabled by that identification. When the conversation no longer suits the group, the person is no longer welcome. I think a technical model of this could be made to work. Looke…

I like HN's approach of too many downvotes hiding the comment entirely. Maybe a combination of that, along with charging a small fee to create an account (even with crypto), and limiting the amount of posts/time you can spend on the site, might keep the spam/bots down considerably.

You could also have a global member limit to encourage competition from other small sites to keep there from being big huge echo chambers.

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Post by ranger_danger »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #128
4ntiq wrote: post #65

something tells me 4chan will survive the birth and death of many social media platforms. lessons to be learned but everyone keeps repeating the same mistakes

Not sure if it tracks given that the founder himself more or less got ousted from his platform. I don't exactly think the current owners keep the servers up in good faith.

I do have to wonder if people are on to something calling it a honeypot due to cloudflare inexplicably keeping them online yet ban other sites like kiwifarms. They still service 8chan as well and they're even posting zoosadist videos. Maybe law enforcement really is keeping it up in order to catch people, I don't know.

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Post by ranger_danger »

hresvelgr wrote: post #158

A large amount of moderation problems could very easily be solved by a standard KYC process. You can sign up and view content without it, but as soon as you want to post, you need to submit a driver's license or passport. Sure, it's a pain but the benefit is people will become A LOT better behaved. I don't think this is necessary for small community platforms but for something like X/Bluesky/etc it is needed. It is a…

> people will become A LOT better behaved

Have you met.. people? They already post whatever they want with their full name with no care in the world.

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Post by majorchord »

almatabata wrote: post #48
erulabs wrote: post #30

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> I am very okay with not seeing CSAM, but your argument doesn’t hold water. By this you mean that its very easy to define a clear set of rules for moderation?

I don't think it's possible to have a clear set of rules that cannot be interpreted maliciously.

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Post by dyauspitr »

newsclues wrote: post #204
harimau777 wrote: post #124

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Sure, but that influence has not exactly been positive. That's the catch I think. It's much easier to exert negative influence than positive influence.

Influence is just a tool to effect change upon people at scale. It’s a tool, it can be used for good or evil. I’ll leave the subjective analysis to others but I think tools are rare just good or bad.

It’s not that simple. Tribalism is easy and most considered a net negative. Tribalism is easy to sell because it’s ingrained in humans. That’s what 4chan does, pick the lowest hanging fruit.
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