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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by ActorNightly »

vundercind wrote: post #209
ActorNightly wrote: post #201

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>All constantly have stupid quality problems or fail to operate as well as they should. And my guess is that your "operate as the should" is probably some very personal opinions about how an OS should function based on your personal workflow, that you assume should be the defacto standard. But for the sake of the argument, lets just assume that your standard is actually optimal from an efficiency standpoint. In that…

> Out of the box, Macs are closer to optimal, but technically Linux is is better because you can customize it to be exactly optimal. If you’ve got a clean solution for getting cmd-style shortcuts so you don’t have to deal with the how-is-this-still-a-thing-in-2024 problem of conflicting shortcuts in terminals, on Linux, I’d love to know what it is. And that’s just the start of it.

>getting cmd-style shortcuts so you don’t have to deal with the how-is-this-still-a-thing-in-2024 problem of conflicting shortcuts in terminals

I can play that game.

Let me know when Mac gets rid of their stupid useless apple and function keys that is somehow still a thing in 2024, to where you have to bend your pinky unnaturally to get to the apple key, and even more so to the control key instead of just combining them in a single key like the rest of the modern world.

And that just the start of it.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by nyarlathotep_ »

vundercind wrote: post #133
freedomben wrote: post #126

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If you've been on a MacBook since 2011 or 2012, it's definitely time to give modern Linux a try. It has come in enormously long way since then. I am not exaggerating when I say, I have a better out of the box experience with Fedora. Then I do with Mac OS. Mac OS certainly has a lot of features, and visually has a great deal of Polish, but it also increasingly has a lot of bugs.

I try every couple years. I tried KDE on Fedora last time (I hate gnome since 3) and could still crash various KDE apps with drag-n-drop operations—I’d trained myself never to use those outside narrow situations on Windows and Linux years ago because they usually broke things or did something stupid, but am now accustomed to them both working and doing something reasonable, so I spot those issues in a hurry when I us…

This ^

I always have at least one Linux machine around that I use primarily, but it's never been reliable. Either Debian or Ubuntu, I always, without fail, have issue with sleep/wake/hibernate and will never bet it'll wake properly when they sleep.

My current Ubuntu desktop with AMD cpu doesn't sleep and has to be manually hibernated.

My HP Dev One laptop with PopOS will fail to wake roughly 1/10 times, requiring a hard reset. Other times it'll fail to sleep and overheat in my backpack. Occasionally, it'll stop recognizing USB peripherals, or the trackpad/keyboard will stop responding to inputs.

I prefer Linux on nearly every front, but having a totally unreliable computing environment makes it a deal-breaker for me.

> "Have you tried $THING"

No I really have grown tired of waking a machine to a blank screen and having to ssh into it to kill gnome or any of the other crap.

My Macs very occasionally freeze on wake too--but that's exceedingly rare compared to the myriad issues with Linux usability.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by godelski »

justonenote wrote: post #217
godelski wrote: post #215

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> If you want to use CUDA as a simple example, When was the last time you tried this? If your "CUDA" needs are pytorch, tensorflow, whatever, pip install (or uv pip install) and you're good to go. When was the last time you even needed to? If you need to do actual kernel writing and thus actually need CUDA (this is pretty uncommon and I think most people that do that wouldn't be asking this question), then most of th…

Sorry what?? Are you trying to refute my point that you end up tinkering if you are using Linux as a desktop? I don't want to run bleeding edge, I don't want to compile my OS from source, I did with slackware as a teenager, I just want to play around with SD and other AI models without it causing me to end up with my laptop randomly freezing to a hard reboot until I go down a rabbit hole of driver/kernel/window mange…

  > Are you trying to refute my point that you end up tinkering if you are using Linux as a desktop?
Yes and no. Most of my point was about if you're on a tinkering distro like Arch (which the OP is). If you're on Ubuntu, Pop, Mint, or similar you can just not tinker and be totally fine. I did add too much about how to actually problem solve on linux because a lot of people go to the wrong sources and that's one of the biggest barriers to entry (and my frustration with Google).

  > I don't want to run bleeding edge, I don't want to compile my OS from source, I did with slackware as a teenager, I just want to play around with SD and other AI models without it causing me to end up with my laptop randomly freezing to a hard reboot until I go down a rabbit hole of driver/kernel/window manger combos.
Use Pop_OS. You do not need to tinker. Things should work just as smoothly as Windows.

I'm not sure how old you are, but if "teenager" is 19 and you're even just 25, the landscape is completely different. Honestly, I think that's probably a true statement if we're talking about even a 3 year difference.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by iknowstuff »

ActorNightly wrote: post #185
iknowstuff wrote: post #153

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it’s very cohesive and stable by comparison to Windows. It’s beautifully designed compared to KDE. It’s most similar to gnome. if you’re the kinda guy who sees it as user hostile, I’d wager it’s because you refuse to learn the macOS/gnome paradigm and demand things to be how they were on your windows pc 30 years ago. what os/dwm do u use

>It’s beautifully designed I hope you understand that when you say this, its pretty easy to see that you are solely in the ideological camp of liking Apple, not a rational one.

i’m talking about consistent HID, proper negative space, consistent padding and margins, copy etc rather than visuals. It’s more science than art.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by eru »

threeseed wrote: post #67
eru wrote: post #33

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I also have this issue from time to time. > The only explanation is that [...] Please show some more imagination.

Maybe you should use your imagination and read the second part of what I wrote. Which is that it could be a launch daemon. It's very common for third party apps to use their imagination and do dumb things on startup.

> Maybe you should use your imagination and read the second part of what I wrote.

The comment only advances two causes.

> Which is that it could be a launch daemon. It's very common for third party apps to use their imagination and do dumb things on startup.

Yes, that's possible, but unlikely to be an exhaustive list of reasons. Especially since in this case it's about browser tabs playing stuff before logging in, not about any weird third part apps.

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Post by vundercind »

itsoktocry wrote: post #211
vundercind wrote: post #105

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Because all operating systems are terrible but the rest are so incredibly bad that Apple’s are still by far the best, once you add up time saved by features and capabilities and subtract time lost to pain-in-the-ass brokenness. (Two decades on DOS/Windows home series and NT, at least for gaming and sometimes work, twelve years with Linux as my main desktop OS, started on Android for smartphones, before finally giving…

> Apple’s are still by far the best MacOS may not even be the best (that's subjective), let alone "by far" the best. How can you make this claim when you haven't used Linux in a decade?

I have used it in the last decade, quite a bit. I try it on the desktop every couple of years. My home server is Debian (too lazy to switch it to FreeBSD when it’s working Ok, I rarely modify it, and the way I use it I never have to mess with Systemd anyway), and nearly all the software I write at work targets Linux one way or another.

Also it’s on my Steamdeck, so I get a good dose of the usual jank any time I have to use the desktop mode for anything.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by eru »

fl0id wrote: post #72
lccerina wrote: post #52

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"MNC don't force you to pay taxes", well 30% fee on products bought, sorry "licensed", on their app stores seem like a tax to me

this. also any profit margins sure are a "tax" in that comparison. Only you don't even get a public service for it, however bad it might be. For taxes, at least some of them are used for public services.

> also any profit margins sure are a "tax" in that comparison.

No? If your local government runs a surplus, that's sort-of equivalent to a profit (but not quite). Profits aren't equivalent to taxes. That's just silly.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by eru »

kibwen wrote: post #98
eru wrote: post #31

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Alas, no. By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.

> MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes So wrong. Every dollar that $FOO_COMPANY shovels to Google and Apple to spend on advertising is a dollar that you, the consumer, end up footing the bill for; a dollar that does not go towards improving the product you receive in any way whatsoever . The advertising industry itself is a tax on the price of everything.

That's not a tax. That's just a payment they make for goods and services (in this case, ad services).

> [...] the consumer, end up footing the bill for; a dollar that does not go towards improving the product you receive in any way whatsoever.

Huh? You could make the same argument against providing free coffee for employees. Every dollar the company spends on coffee is one that they didn't spend on anything else..

And, obviously, ads go towards improving the improving the product I receive: without ads, I might have bought a different product or none at all.

Not all ad spend improves my experience, obviously, but neither does all spend on everything else. And I don't have to buy a product, if I don't like the ads.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by eru »

phoe-krk wrote: post #35
eru wrote: post #31

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Alas, no. By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.

Governments are adopting the international outreach of megacorps. Megacorps are adopting the level of competence of governments. I see no contradiction here.

> Megacorps are adopting the level of competence of governments.

Any sources for that? From all the studies (and anecdotes) I've seen, MNCs are vastly more competent that most local companies, and the latter are also _usually_ still more competent than government.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by eru »

m3047 wrote: post #181
eru wrote: post #31

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Alas, no. By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.

MNCs get governments to force you to buy their products. I've dealt with governments where the only way to send or receive docs was MS Word. Sometimes saving in MS Word format works (LibreOffice), sometimes not.

> I've dealt with governments where the only way [...]

Aren't you answering your own objection there?

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