Incredible work. May I also interest you in retrowin32 https://github.com/evmar/retrowin32/blob/main/README.md Which is an attempt to collapse the stack so that fewer translation and virtualisation stages are needed.
This is great, hope it takes off
AAA Gaming on Asahi Linux
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#222I'm a little sad that this has seemingly taken precedence over all other hardware support. M3 support, dp-alt mode, making the microphone work are all things that I was hoping were going to land in the past year.
AFAIK the M3 is going to take a lot longer as the asahi team leverages apple silicon in their CI which means mac mini servers and the M3 generation never got their mac mini. Of all the generations to finally take the plunge into apple silicon, I had to choose the weird one... (typing this on an M3 mbair and not on linux sigh) Ah yeah, here's the post: https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/112277289414246878
Have you considered selling your machine and getting an M2 of some sort?
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
An ARM CPU only emulating x86 isn't going to be more efficient than straight x86. ARM is barely more efficient as it is at those performance levels. The real reason Apple is ahead is because they're paying for more expensive more advanced nodes for their CPUs. I you compare CPUs on similar node sizes, you'll see that AMD and Intel are basically caught up architecturally in perf/W metrics.
This is definitely not true. M3 is 2x - 3x more efficient than Lunar Lake on the same N3B node.
Have you seen Lunars iGPU?
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#224Fantastic! A great proof of concept on Linux - lots of AAA gaming is already possible on Mac with Crossover and/or Parallels or VMWare Personal, which is free! While I have a Steam Deck, gaming on Mac works for me - I refuse to play Baldurs Gate 3 on a controller.
BG3 is the only RPG I would play on a controller, it's very well done. You can also connect a keyboard and monitor to the Steam Deck, BG3 runs at 1080p high locked to 30FPS
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#225I still wonder why valve is that much reluctant at porting its proton stuff into the simple and plain C99 of wine/vkd3d.
Then what is proton written in? C++?
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#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's changing. I imagine that was always intended to be an introductory thing to cement their position in the marketplace.
Good old enshittification. Make it good to attract users, then optimize for profit once the users can't leave.
From citizen to shitizen.. we need a virtual sovyeet union in antartica.. systemic competition
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's still hilarious and crazy that safari/chrome/webkit/blink exploded out of the cute little KHMTL browser called Konqueror in KDE from back in the day. And the root of the whole browser wars thing was microsoft making an absolute dog of a browser for Mac OS X when it came out and then refusing to support it. lmao.
Haaa Konqueror. It was THE shit back in the day. I loved this software. It really was at the core of the KDE experience. Too bad it disappeared, I miss it. (well it’s not technically dead but it’s not moving either)
I came here to say this! Konqueror may have served a small community but it was excellent.
It was the file manager as well as the browser and it was incredibly capable. By far the most advanced GUI file manager of its time. And a pretty fast and pleasant browser, although the compatibility was hit and miss. (Those were Flash and IE-dominated days as I recall them.)
A lot of what I loved about Konqueror is captured in Dolphin. I don't think I need my web browser to be a file manager... maybe that concept was just a 90s fever dream. But I miss Rekonq. Maybe I should revisit Konqueror.
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#228For people like me who have been using Ashai for a while but are not Fedora natives; TIL `sudo dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=40; sudo dnf system-upgrade reboot` is necessary first as the normal upgrades left me on 39.
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#229From a performance and technical perspective this is incredible. Well done! It will never happen, but my dream is for the Asahi devs, Valve, and Apple to all get together to build out a cross-platform Proton to emulate and play games built for Windows on both x86 and ARM hardware running Linux. A Steam Deck with the performance and power efficiency of an M-series ARM chip and the entire library of games that run on P…
that's ideally what Vulkan was for. Build for one common open source standard, and then Apple/Microsoft/Google/Linux can all build an API to support that. But I guess there was never a time when an open graphics standard stood as the leader. Maybe during a brief stint in the Windows Vista era at best.
During the Unreal Tournament 99 / Quake 3 era a lot of games ran a lot better on Nvidia with OpenGL rather than DirectX.
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#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
Steam Deck was made possible by their ongoing efforts to enable the play of most of their games catalog on any hardware platform that is computationally capable of running them, regardless of OS or architecture. The end game for Valve isn't Steam Deck 2 or 3 (which is statistically impossible for Valve to produce), but for Steam to be on everything.
Steam Deck was made possible by the plethora of the Windows games developer market and Proton. Most of the studios that own those games, and target POSIX like OSes on mobile phones and game consoles, are yet to bother with GNU/Linux versions for SteamOS.
Wine and DXVK are already running on Android and they play Windows games with the rendering and computational complexity of Fallout 4 at playable framerates on many of the latest smartphone SoCs. It's still WIP, but it's already gone beyond proof of concept, people are using them. Valve don't need the developers to be on-board in order to run their games on anything else, that's why Proton exists.
What Valve want is the dissolution between platform/architecture and store. By my eye, it's the driving force of their efforts, more so than them selling hardware or being the open source good guys. Not to undervalue their work in helping make Linux a first class citizen for gaming, but the core of their business model is getting people to engage with their store, full stop, and being able to sell their games on Android (and elsewhere) would massively extend their reach.
This may go both ways too, there's also been indications that Valve have been tinkering with Waydroid, meaning Steam could also become a store for Android-native games.