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The Static Site Paradox

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Re: The Static Site Paradox

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CNN is on https://lite.cnn.com/ . The home page is a single 30KB HTML file (my browser also insists on downloading their 6KB favicon). A thing of beauty, compared to their normal home page with 90+ files of 12MB.

Wow - that is the fastest loading site I've seen!

It's almost as if we all have supercomputers in our pockets which could easily handle text and images of only web devs didn't shove 10MB of code in an interpreted language every time time we open a page!

Re: The Static Site Paradox

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Fixing the editor experience of static sites seem to be most important to me, maybe followed by having comparably good themes. Whenever I setup a new site or fix a broken site for friends, I always try to convince them to go to a static site. Nobody really knows what that is and how it’s different, ie. nobody cares - until they realize that they now need to write in markdown. Managing images is most painful. I also learned to not bother anyone with git and just let them copy to production.

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I think that was true during the age of the blog, but far less so now. Comments and discussion of a post are to be found on third-party communities like Reddit, HN, or even Facebook. How many of us scan the list of comments under, say, a Substack post vs. will scroll through a page or two of HN comments for the same post? IMO it's a foregone conclusion that a discussion on HN will be higher quality for a tech-related…

The more people join a social media site the worse the conversation gets. This is already happening to HN as tech people flee Reddit. Most of the new comments on any given post are people that didn't read the linked content and complain about stuff addressed in the second paragraph. This is an evolutionary process where the commenters that get the most engagement are those that are first to respond or react. First-mo…

> This is already happening to HN

This is an ongoing theme since I first checked out this website, which was in 2008 or so.

Re: The Static Site Paradox

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We’re dealing with this big time in Asheville now. When cell service came back at all, everyone had shitty intermittent 3G, and none of the websites we needed for basic survival information would load. A bunch of good people created some text only news sites, and today I noticed that the Buncombe county website finally has a low bandwidth site, but even then when I inspected it, it had 130k of bootstrap css and 50k o…

Plus, what you call "shitty 3G" is (a) not really that bad objectively speaking (better than dialup 20 so years ago), and (b) actually the norm for hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people . I always think it's very depressing and even hypocritical how little the average SV dev cares about anyone with less than an iphone 15 with 4G in their pocket.

well, people without 4G or a later phone model probably don't have the money for your $5 per month service anyways, so why care about them at all /s

Re: The Static Site Paradox

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> normal users are stuck with a bunch of greedy clowns that make them pay for every little thing Huh? You're not confined to Automattic or WP-Engine, there are tons and tons of regular web hosting providers with Wordpress and a bunch of other stuff included in a standard hosting package, you can use the free Wordpress, and you can self-host. That's the whole point of Wordpress being open source, and it's working as i…

> Static site generators are used by technologists who want to tinker and check all the boxes in whatever Chrome's latest devtool benchmark tool is called No? Downloading Hugo, getting a random theme and writing a few articles is pretty simple and requires no more tinkering than doing the same with a Wordpress (okay, one's actions are big buttons in a UI, the other is copy pasting commands, but in terms of effort , t…

> No? Downloading Hugo, getting a random theme and writing a few articles is pretty simple and requires no more tinkering than doing the same with a Wordpress

This is not even remotely true. There are more hosts than I can count offering one click wordpress installs that dump you straight into a point where you can begin publishing.

> (okay, one's actions are big buttons in a UI, the other is copy pasting commands, but in terms of effort, there's barely any difference).

For the average non-engineering background user, this is a huge difference.

I've spent most of my IT career in hosting. You are vasltly overestimating the capabilities or care factor of a significant chunk of the user market.

Re: The Static Site Paradox

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We’re dealing with this big time in Asheville now. When cell service came back at all, everyone had shitty intermittent 3G, and none of the websites we needed for basic survival information would load. A bunch of good people created some text only news sites, and today I noticed that the Buncombe county website finally has a low bandwidth site, but even then when I inspected it, it had 130k of bootstrap css and 50k o…

Plus, what you call "shitty 3G" is (a) not really that bad objectively speaking (better than dialup 20 so years ago), and (b) actually the norm for hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people . I always think it's very depressing and even hypocritical how little the average SV dev cares about anyone with less than an iphone 15 with 4G in their pocket.

Is Asheville in SV?

In any case, in places like eg India 4G is more common than 3G. 3G is being phased out. 5G is rolling out.

(I realise that India isn't the poorest of the poor anymore. But not sure that's necessary for your argument?)

Re: The Static Site Paradox

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post #206

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Wow - that is the fastest loading site I've seen!

It's almost as if we all have supercomputers in our pockets which could easily handle text and images of only web devs didn't shove 10MB of code in an interpreted language every time time we open a page!

yup. I marveled at a cray y-mp 4 back in the days. now I use one as my daily driver, compute power wise. mind. blown. come to think about it...

Re: The Static Site Paradox

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A professional software engineer would never think of a static site as a personal website.

On the other hand, normal users don't have an understanding of static/dynamic site and which one to choose. It is entirely up to the non-greedy/greedy clowns to go for a complex CMS written in some programming language initially by themselves or a WordPress or HTML static site initially.

I think the author should have told whether this personal website is a static site or dynamic.

Re: The Static Site Paradox

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It might be useful and fun to setup an open and ongoing competition for the meanest and leanest way of doing web publishing.

Its not trivial to set up because the list of desired features must be agreed and there are legitimate variations per use case. So most likely it must involve several subcategories.

But somewhere between git, markdown, sqlite, python (or maybe go?) a bare bones linux server and the mighty browser lies our optimal set of solutions. With no more that absolutely needed lines of code, no more than absolutely needed user effort and cost, no more than absolutely needed power consumption etc, in other words our true digital publishing future :-)

Re: The Static Site Paradox

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I have whole rants about this, based on bitter experience trying to convince marketing people to stop using WP and just use a static site.

It comes down to ease of editing. A WP site optimises for the editor. Not the hosting, not the tech folk, not the accountants, and definitely not the reader. The people who edit the site get to say how it's implemented.

If you give them the choice (as I have) between a site that renders in I'm always confused as to why these particular people get to be the ones who make the choice. But I've repeated this experiment multiple times and it has always come back with the same result.

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