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Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by BlueTemplar »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #28

This is precisely what would have happened if Apple had gotten away with their distributed image hashing scheme. Only in that case the falsely accused would be sent immediately through the justice system and forced to spend a fortune to defend themselves on the assumption that they were hiding the evidence.

What do you mean ?

And in the actual justice system, there's a presumption of innocence.

As for platforms, that's why in the EU big ones must engage with mediators. (Though IMHO it's better to just avoid them.)

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by BlueTemplar »

chii wrote: post #130
rlayton2 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This happens regularly (perhaps not frequently) to people with their Gmail account. Google's AI says no, and there are very few people reporting successfully navigating the system to get their account back. This is one of the anti-google arguments, the other main one being they kill big projects all the time. You are right though, it can be crippling, and this thinking part of your personal (and business) risk profil…

> This happens regularly (perhaps not frequently) to people with their Gmail account. this should be regulated. For example, electricity/utility companies cannot just abruptly close your account, without giving massive notice in advance, and justified reason (such as non-payment). The internet has become utilities, and it's not just the pipe, but the monopoly applications on it such as email, etc. Being deplatformed…

Well, thankfully, you cannot be deplatformed from e-mail, since it's a protocol, not platform.

Both Google Mail and Microsoft Outlook could keep your e-mails from being delivered to people who still have an e-mail with them (and vice-versa, but if it got that bad,would you still be willing to keep in touch with the people, and do business with the companies willing to put up with that ?

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by BlueTemplar »

devjab wrote: post #23
rlayton2 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This happens regularly (perhaps not frequently) to people with their Gmail account. Google's AI says no, and there are very few people reporting successfully navigating the system to get their account back. This is one of the anti-google arguments, the other main one being they kill big projects all the time. You are right though, it can be crippling, and this thinking part of your personal (and business) risk profil…

I had my YouTube account banned because I changed the channel name into something that trigged their AI. Maybe it was that I’ve never uploaded a video or written a comment? Who knows. Anyway I was fully expecting to have lost my account (and my playlists) forever based on the bad reputation Google has, but when I clicked the “do you disagree with this” appeal thing it took very little time to have my account restored…

Comment moderation is also a shitshow, my comments routinely get silently deleted (or worse: shadowbanned).

And the most ridiculous in this, is how they get deleted/banned a LOT more if you use YouTube's own syntax for time-links ! (Maybe the automatic moderation system thinks these are external links or something?!?)

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by BlueTemplar »

romwell wrote: post #90
treyd wrote: post #50

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> LinkedIn is pretty important nowadays when searching for work. This is only true if people repeat it and believe it to be true.

>This is only true if people repeat it and believe it to be true. Which they do. Particularly, employers.

Well, you can think about it like a filter for bad jobs : as a hacker, why would you want to work for an employer that uses a Microsoft platform ?

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by TeMPOraL »

waihtis wrote: post #218
TeMPOraL wrote: post #200

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There are only so many places you can order stuff on-line locally, to save on non-food products more expensive or downright unavailable locally. Interfacing with individual vendor and their bespoke system for each purchase gets cognitively exhausting quickly - a major reason why people prefer those large marketplaces. And then, it's not just Amazon. Adopting such policies is becoming a trend parallel to centralizatio…

> Interfacing with individual vendor and their bespoke system for each purchase gets cognitively exhausting quickly If using a web shop is cognitively exhausting to you, there likely are bigger problems underneath.

A single one, no. Two dozen different ones - I can do it, but it gets so annoying that I'll happily pay premium to buy the same things on a single site.

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by BlueTemplar »

AStonesThrow wrote: post #41
bsder wrote: post #10

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> What happens if one of the big tech companies makes a mistake and closes your account? LinkedIn is pretty important nowadays when searching for work. Would you be able to make a new account? If not, that seems like a pretty big deal. You are screwed, and it is a big deal. However, until some ambulance chaser manages to corral the affected people into a class action lawsuit and win, there will be no change. > Same c…

What if your domain registrar is the one to cut you off? What if AWS or some cloud provider kills your self-hosted VPS? What if your ISP or mobile phone provider does it? So many fragile layers to our indispensable digital lives; we all walk on eggshells. I'm paranoid about backups and redundancy, but I'd be devastated by a single lockout.

What's a VPS, and if it's self-hosted, where does the reliance on cloud providers comes in ??

ISPs (and maybe cellular providers ?) cannot cut you off without reason or advance notice, or they will the ones facing legal consequences...

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by smcin »

rlayton2 wrote: post #219
smcin wrote: post #64

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Depends, what date did you create that channel, they may have changed rules since.

The problem is the rules aren't specified, if you fall afoul of a rule you do not get told which rule it is, and the rules are AI-based decisions that are hard to even understand. If the process was transparent, it would be a lot easier to deal with.

I understood that, and I was trying to help reverse-engineer what might have changed.

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by romwell »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #224
romwell wrote: post #90

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>This is only true if people repeat it and believe it to be true. Which they do. Particularly, employers.

Well, you can think about it like a filter for bad jobs : as a hacker, why would you want to work for an employer that uses a Microsoft platform ?

>bad jobs

>Microsoft platform

Are you 13, and living in the year 1999?

>as a hacker, why would you want to work for an employer that uses a Microsoft platform ?

Because I want to work in organizations like NASA.

Out in the real world, people care about what gets things done more than what the FOSS community thinks about that choice.

And recruiters will use whatever platform that will allow them to find the right people.

Your definition of "bad jobs" excludes any job that matters (or pays).

Re: LinkedIn blocked due Meshtastic video in private chat

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Post by romwell »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #205
romwell wrote: post #85

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> I wonder if the same can be done with Gmail archives. That's called "using an email client" to access email. The way it originally worked, you know, and still does[1]. I use Vivaldi browser, which has a built-in mail client[2]. You can use Mozilla Thunderbird[3], or (gasp) Outlook. All of them allow you to maintain a complete, offline, up-to-date copy of your mailbox, which you can export and back up if needs be. […

When my account was closed by an ISP, Thunderbird (unexpectedly for me) mirrored the lack of access to the IMAP folders and deleted all my local mail. Fortunately this was a temporary issue that I was able to recover from. Apps like imap-backup ( https://github.com/joeyates/imap-backup ) allow retaining IMAP data. In short, don't rely on TB to retain IMAP data, (like Dropbox) it is not a backup and IME will sync data…

>When my account was closed by an ISP, Thunderbird (unexpectedly for me) mirrored the lack of access to the IMAP folders and deleted all my local mail. Fortunately this was a temporary issue that I was able to recover from.

This is absolutely ridiculous of Thunderbird.

That said:

1. As you said, like Dropbox, it's a local mirror, not a backup. Someone gaining access to your email and mass-deleting everything would delete your local copy too. A an actual backup of Thunderbird mail files would accomplish a backup.

2. Did your ISP somehow allow Thunderbird to log into the mailbox and gave it empty content? Or did they delete content before killing IMAP sessions? If so, it's outright malicious. Otherwise, Thunderbird shouldn't have deleted anything.

3. Having an always-on desktop box with a mail client that gets all email once a week is a lazy way to decrease the chances of being affected by something like that. Having a script that copies mailbox data into another folder (named according to date) is, well, an actual backup.

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